Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #3

Discussion in 'Timothy Bosma' started by sillybilly, Feb 5, 2016.

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  1. sillybilly

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    :rose: Remembering Tim Bosma and waiting for Justice :rose:

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    TIM AND HIS DAUGHTER
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    I was following that case along too, deugirtni. :)

    I've followed a number of cases over the years - being interested in true crime like many others here. I don't think I've ever followed a case with as much overwhelming evidence as what I have seen already in the first three weeks of this trial. And it sounds like there is still a great deal of solid evidence to come - ie, video.

    I don't think there's any way these guys are not going to be found guilty of 1st degree murder.
     
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    hearing how Tracy Rogers broke down a bit after stating she wanted to give the family peace of mind to get back all the remains made me cry..so heartbreaking.
     
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    pretty unbelievable his Lawyer did not try and convince him to just plead guilty..don't know how after seeing the disclosure he ever thought he would be able to raise any reasonable doubt..but I do have a question..lets just say the gun was hidden by Smich and let's just hypothetically say there was a struggle and Tim had grabbed the gun and it went off...could the defence retrieve the gun? If Smich believed there would be prints from Tim on the gun..could defence use the gun as evidence and have it tested or would it have to be given to crown first? I am pretty sure this didn't happen but was just curious of the way crown/defence operate..I am sure defence will have their own evidence is that correct? or are they there just to question and argue existing evidence?
     
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    it's possible they are going in order of evidence found...perhaps as the days went on and they dug up areas of the farm, more bones were found..it almost seems to me that all the larger bones may have been cleaned out and disposed of elsewhere..the bones left behind...they either did not see? or could not access? hidden in the corner of the incinerator behind the tubing? Maybe we will here from her again..it just seems very strange that media reported a second set of remains found and then people assumed another person but I think it was a second set of remains and they were Tim's
     
  9. Ontario Mom

    Ontario Mom Because I'm the Mom, that's why.

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    When I said "along for the ride" re MS, I just meant that so far, all the evidence/testimony seems to point right at DM, and MS was just stupid enough to be friends with him and willing to go along with whatever wicked/illegal plans DM had.
     
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    That was one of my questions. What years were the other trucks he called about. This could be the reason they targeted Tim. He had an older truck that wouldn't be damaged by Mexican fuel. Where as the others would be.


    Never mind my question were answered

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    I know I saw a tweet early in the trial that I am desperately trying to find so I can link..(I think it was first fingerprint testimony---Feske) that said they sent that fingerprint in to compare to unsolved cases on file. But I myself would assume they would do that anyway. Would just make sense...


    Too bad there is not an easy way to search through all these tweets.
     
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    A lot of times car guys will prefer an older model of a vehicle simply because it had slightly better performance numbers. Sometimes increasing emissions restrictions sap horsepower, so older models are preferred. Not sure if that is the case here though.
     
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    It is very hard to believe that DMs first crime was the murder of LB. Not saying that he killed anyone prior to that but I'll bet the farm that this guy wasn't as clean as his criminal record indicated.

    ETA: Given Millard's record, I'd say the is a pretty good chance that the old guy that fell off the wing of the plane he was servicing, with only DM present, might not have been an accident either.
     
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    so as far as I understand the forensic evidence presented by the crown to date, there has been identification that there was blood in the truck, and male bones in the incinerator... It has not been linked through DNA or dental records to be TB - right?

    I am not on the DM / MS innocent wagon, I am just trying to understand the level of facts presented from the crown to date. I assume it will all be tied together through DNA...
     
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    AFAIK, the crown has identified blood and human bones but has not forensically connected it to TB as of yet, except for Rogers testimony that identified the approx age and gender of the bones. I'm sure the DNA identification isn't far behind. BTW, as stated by a previous poster, I'm amazed at the complexity of the identification process. MOO
     
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    I remember back to one of the early pressers- "the totality of the evidence" is now starting to be clear

    "We are convinced by the totality of the evidence that these are the remains of Tim Bosma," De Caire said. "The evidence indicates that the remains were burned."

    http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/14/police-update-tim-bosma-case
     
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    ArianeEmory I know the pieces fit

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    I don't think we've had DNA or dental experts yet. They've referred, in their opening statement, to the blood in the truck and the blood on the incinerator hatch as being TB's. They didn't use weasel phrases like 'consistent with being that of TB's'. So I assume they intend to provide their proof.

    Edit: Not sure we will get a 100% positive ID on the cremains. I don't think they made that claim.
     
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    This has been discussed on WS in the past. For some the 2007 is much preferred over later Dodges as the 5.9 litre Cummins is perceived to be superior to the 6.7 litre that has been used since. 2007 was the last year the 5.9 was used so it would have the newest 5.9 available.

    Reputational advantages of the 5.9 over the later 6.7:
    - less emissions and computer control so more mechanically and electrically reliable and easier and less costly to fix
    - runs better on low quality fuel
    - gets significantly better mileage while still being able to haul heavy loads.

    This reputation also makes them more desirable and valuable in other countries. If one were contemplating selling, or trading for cocaine, in Latin America ("cars for cocaine" is still big down there), the 2007 is the truck to have.
     
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    BBM - totally agree. Dr. Rogers said she was not qualified to test for DNA. She was not saying the bones were TB's. I expect we will have another expert come and take us through the DNA process. I don't think Dr. Rogers would testify to anything that isn't in her area of expertise....ie: the blood. I expect we have not yet heard the end of testimony with respect to the Eliminator. MOO
     
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    This brings up a point I had not noticed before, thanks. When DM had plans to have the truck painted, (before he cancelled them), and he was preparing the truck by removing the taillights and wording and such, why didn't he remove the vin numbers?
     
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    Perhaps if DM brought a truck with the VIN removed into the body shop, they would not accept it since that would be a clear indication it was stolen. JMO. He could have removed the VIN later, after cancelling the appointment, but by that time he was probably so frantic and feeling the heat of LE coming down on him that it just didn't happen. MOO.
     
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