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  1. redheadedgal

    redheadedgal Well-Known Member

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    but the fibers don't exist... or is it only some fibers don't exist? :floorlaugh:
     


  2. BOESP

    BOESP Well-Known Member

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    Just out of curiosity, why is a news article considered factual when detectives comments are not? The object of news articles and programs is to be profitable for the stations and newspaper owners. If they can't sell advertising they don't stay in business. They can't sell advertising if no one wants to watch their show or read their paper. It has become entertainment, not fact-finding. Reporters report what they are told. Investigative journalists used to investigate but they have also become reporters imo.

    It has become a joke how many times main-stream media have reported non-facts and just plain wrong information.
     
  3. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    The only fibers that don't exist are the ones I found the source for, apparently. :floorlaugh:
     
  4. Venom

    Venom Well-Known Member

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    I can only hope.
     
  5. 2 percent

    2 percent New Member

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    This case is not solved. The suspect was arrested. Period.

    The technology used to extract this DNA apparently is new and has not passed scrutiny in preliminary hearings and findings nor has it passed a Frye challenge. You're getting a head of yourselves here by assuming this has proven anything.
     
  6. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    It is disrespectful and foolhardy to play silly word games. The facts were facts BEFORE being published in books.
     
  7. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Hey, I remember the Frye Hearings from the OJ murder trial. I even know what they are...Wow!
     
  8. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Yes, they were. But, it seems that my source wasn't a valid one for the RST member. Only certain fibers exist for that one....
     
  9. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    Are you saying the fibers that were introduced into evidence do not exist? Is that what you are saying? Maybe the body of a violated and dead child does not exist either? This is all make-believe?
     
  10. chlban

    chlban Well-Known Member

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    nions [
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    You realize you are trying to convince people that refer to "books" with the same disdainful tone I refer to child molesters?

    If someone does not understand that books may contain both opinion and facts and that, in fact, most of the books on this case contain mainly the same facts, the differences are only in how the authors interpret them (which would be opinion) you and everyone else are simply:banghead:

    JMO. Carry on
     
  11. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Well-Known Member

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    So I found a discussion about this news on a conspiracy theory website, and they are theorizing that Nicole Kidman was at the house that night, apparently all connected to the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" and mind control.
     
  12. Linda7NJ

    Linda7NJ Well-Known Member

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    Thud....
     
  13. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    Semantics.com...lol...Sorry I couldnt help myself...
     
  14. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    They arent allowed to hide evidence from the defense when its going to trial. They however do not have to share what they have while its still being investigated.... Fact!
     
  15. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    August 2000 Patsy Ramsey Atlanta Interview
    (Fibers on Patsy's jacket)


    0184
    18 What is the question?
    19 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Can you explain
    20 for us how the fibers from the coat got in
    21 the paint tray?
    22 MR. WOOD: Are you stipulating as
    23 a fact that the fibers that you say are in
    24 the paint tray, in fact, came from that coat
    25 that we earlier discussed, or is it simply a

    0185
    1 matter that you say they may have? Because
    2 I am not going to let her answer
    3 argumentative, hypothetical opinions. I will
    4 let her answer if you are going to state it
    5 as a matter of fact that that fiber came
    6 from that jacket.
    7 MR. LEVIN: I can state to you,
    8 Mr. Wood, that, given the current state of
    9 the scientific examination of fibers, that,
    10 based on the state of the art technology,
    11 that I believe, based on testing, that fibers
    12 from your client's coat are in the paint
    13 tray.
    14 MR. WOOD: Are you stating as a
    15 fact that they are from the coat or is it
    16 consistent with? What is the test result
    17 terminology? Is it conclusive? I mean, I
    18 think she is entitled to know that when you
    19 ask her to explain something.
    20 MR. KANE: It is identical in all
    21 scientific respects.
    22 MR. WOOD: What does that mean?
    23 Are you telling me it is conclusive?
    24 MR. KANE: It is identical.

    25 MR. WOOD: Are you saying it is

    0186
    1 a conclusive match?
    2 MR. KANE: You can draw your own
    3 conclusions.
    4 MR. WOOD: I am not going to
    5 draw my own conclusions.
    6 MR. KANE: I am saying it is
    7 identical.

    snip...

    15 MR. KANE: Well, I am telling
    16 you, it is -- is it conclusive in the sense
    17 that, that there is something unique about it
    18 that could only come from a particular item,
    19 then the answer is no.
    20 Is it that it is identical in all
    21 respects to the fibers off of the jacket,
    22 then the answer is yes.


    snip...

    0200
    3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
    4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
    5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
    6 from her jacket were found in the paint
    7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
    8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
    9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the
    10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
    11 the question is, can she explain to us how
    12 those fibers appeared in those places that
    13 are associated with her daughter's death.
    14 And I understand you are not going to answer
    15 those.

    snip....

    0202
    8 MR. LEVIN: I understand your
    9 position.
    10 In addition to those questions,
    11 there are some others that I would like you
    12 to think about whether or not we can have
    13 Mrs. Ramsey perhaps in the future answer. I
    14 understand you are advising her not to today,
    15 and those are there are black fibers that,
    16 according to our testing that was conducted,
    17 that match one of the two shirts that was
    18 provided to us by the Ramseys, black shirt.
    19 Those are located in the
    20 underpants of JonBenet Ramsey, were found in
    21 her crotch area, and I believe those are two
    22 other areas that we have intended to ask
    23 Mrs. Ramsey about if she could help us in
    24 explaining their presence in those locations.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-fibers.htm

    Steve Thomas Deposition (Atlanta, Georgia)
    Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Action File No. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)
    (Fiber Discussion)


    246
    1 guess we could do it if we need to, maybe
    2 we'll do it later but let's just for a
    3 moment see if we can't generally agree, that
    4 there were a considerable number of fibers
    5 found on JonBenet Ramsey's body and articles
    6 of clothing that were not in fact sourced by
    7 the investigation, true?
    8 A. Whether artifact or evidence, yeah,
    9 there were a number of hair and fiber pieces
    10 in this case that I know they, Trujillo and
    11 CBI, were trying to source.

    12 Q. And as of August of '98 had not
    13 been able to do so, true?
    14 A. That's my understanding.
    15 Q. And CBI had at one point come up
    16 with a conclusion that there was a
    17 consistency between fibers found on a blanket
    18 in the suitcase that matched fibers on
    19 JonBenet's body or were consistent with, is
    20 that the right term?
    21 A. I heard Mr. Smit and Mr. DeMuth
    22 refer to that but I didn't hear Trujillo ever
    23 offer a report or an explanation concerning
    24 that.
    25 Q. But the FBI disagreed with the

    247
    1 CBI, didn't they?


    Snip...Steve Thomas Deposition - 09-21-2001
    Chris Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Case
    (Fiber Discussion)

    250
    18 Q. I think I understand you. The
    19 red fibers, we're talking about the red
    20 fibers off the duct tape, right, the ones
    21 that Mr. Hoffman asked you about?
    22 A. Yes.
    23 Q. That were consistent or a likely
    24 match with Patsy Ramsey's jacket?
    25 A. Yes.

    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-fibers.htm
     
  16. Agatha_C

    Agatha_C New Member

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    Page 9 autopsy report fibers mentioned at the bottom


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  17. gramcracker

    gramcracker Indentured Cat Servant

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    unless the parents are holding their cooperation for ransom: access to all of the case material before deigning to write answers to written questions

    THUD !!!
     
  18. tezi

    tezi Member of Websleuths since 2000.

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    Semantics.com? BWHAAAA!!!!
     
  19. FrayedKnot

    FrayedKnot Former Member

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    Sharing this lovely tidbit once again.....courtesy of acandyrose.com


    1 MR. WOOD: Hey, I made more money
    2 handling the Ramsey case than you've made in
    3 your whole damn career practicing law, Darnay.
    4 MR. HOFFMAN: -- instead of settling
    5 for chump change, which you've done in all these
    6 other cases, you're actually getting paid a
    7 decent --



    IMO, Lin Wood wasn't the only one paid in the Ramsey case. There was a whole lotta looking the other way and money made that happen. Ramsey money.
     
  20. madeleine

    madeleine Well-Known Member

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    http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

    Det. Arndt stated to Your Affiant that she was present and observed a visual examination by Dr. Meyer of the shirt worn by the child. She observed and Dr. Meyer preserved dark fibers and dark hair found on the outside of the shirt

    Det. Arndt told Your Affiant that she personally observed Dr. John Meyer examine the vaginal and pubic areas of the deceased, Dr. Meyer stated that he observed numerous traces of a dark fiber.
     
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