Broken once or twice?

Discussion in 'JonBenet Ramsey' started by Holdontoyourhat, Jul 17, 2006.

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Paintbrush broken once or twice?

Poll closed Jul 24, 2006.
  1. Once

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  2. Twice

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  1. Holdontoyourhat

    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    We know the paintbrush handle was broken, but was it broken once or twice?
     
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  3. shiloh

    shiloh New Member

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    Twice, and it had been whittled.
     
  4. Paradox

    Paradox Former Member

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    Whittled?
     
  5. dingo

    dingo Former Member

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    Thats what I was going to ask
     
  6. Paradox

    Paradox Former Member

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    Not one whit of truth there, I bet.
     
  7. dingo

    dingo Former Member

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    Here a whit..there a whit..everywhere a whit whit:D ...Im sorry Im just in a stupid mood today
     
  8. Paradox

    Paradox Former Member

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    You and shiloh.
     
  9. shiloh

    shiloh New Member

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    In looking at the photograph of the paint tote, the broken paint brush is blue. http://www.acandyrose.com/178paint-tote.jpg (The blue paint brush in the lower left hand corner is the one which is broken). The "stick" tied to the cord is tan/brown. http://www.acandyrose.com/garrote3.jpg

    From the autopsy report: This wooden stick is irregularly broken at both ends and there are several colors of paint and apparent glistening varnish on the surface. Printed in gold letters on one end of the wooden stick is the word 'Korea.' The tail end of another word extends from beneath the loops of the cord tied around the stick, and is not able to be interpreted."

    The autopsy report refers to it as a stick, and mentions several colors of paint and a glistening varnish, which would be from various painting jobs from areas on the "stick" that had not been whittled.

    Whittling was one of Burke's hobbies. Either he had whittled it at some point in time, or (my theory) the killer whittled it as a way to implicate Burke.
     
  10. dingo

    dingo Former Member

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    So now we have the killer whittling to while away his time.
     
  11. Paradox

    Paradox Former Member

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    Slow down s. The coroner called it a stick because he didn't know it was a paint brush handle.

    H asked about the paint brush handle that was used in the garrote.

    You said that was whittled.

    I don't think it was.

    Your above post does nothing to clear up your mistake.
     
  12. Paradox

    Paradox Former Member

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    Or maybe Patsy was whittling past the graveyard?
     
  13. Rupert

    Rupert Former Member

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    Good question. Was it broken quickly like a dry string of spaghetti with two thumbs, or, was one end broken off first and then carefully the other? Indeed, what happened to the paint brush end? Did somebody go paint a picture with it?

    A puzzle?
     
  14. Jayelles

    Jayelles New Member

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    Definitely twice. It would need to be twice since there is a "middle" portion. One of the ends is missing though. There has been discussion as to whether it was removed as a trophy.

    I don't recall ever reading that it had been whittled and I'd be interested in a source for that.

    It is not the coroner's job to decide the fabric or purpose of an object. He only describes as he sees. As Don Bradley has stated on several occasions - a coroner would not describe a gold wedding ring as such but rather as "a yellow metal band on the third finger of the left hand" (or similar description).
     
  15. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    Twice, both ends are irregularly broken. this aspect is plainly visible to the eye, it needs no analysis.

    It is also obvious there as been no attempt to smooth the ragged ends, and the surface of the stick appears unmodified.

    I see nothing to suggest it has been whittled which as we know has BDI connotations.

    The shards of wood found on the floor just outside of the wine-cellar originate from the stick and are consistent with a simple breaking or snapping.

    As I remarked before it was not necessary for the stager to break the stick twice, or even at all.

    The purpose of the stick could have been achieved whole.

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  16. Eagle1

    Eagle1 Former Member

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    Good catch, Shiloh. Ties in with the possibility that JR's black WOOL shirt fibers and PR's jacket fibers could have been taken from the parents' closet to implicate them, which closet was some distance from their sleeping area, separated by a door, stairway ( the straight stairs) , and a bathroom.

    See Schiller's PMPT, Appendix A, FLOOR PLANS. There appears to be another smaller closet at the other end of the 3rd floor but it's not marked closet.

    Does anyone know a source that the stick had been whittled? So if that was done to implicate Burke, probably finding his whittling knife that LHP had supposedly hidden would have been for the same purpose, shows a lot of premeditation, I would think, probably a to-do list? But he forgot the duffle bag? Anyone know a way to ask ST what was in the duffle bag?
     
  17. rashomon

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    In his #81 post on the 'Tea' thread, SuperDave provided a very informative link where one can see a picture of the stick around which the cord was wrapped, and to me one end does not look broken at all.
    http://misty.angelcities.com/article1.html

    But Dr. Meyer in his report said the stick was broken at two ends.
    Am I reading all your posts correctly: the stick broken at two ends was in fact from a paintbrush, but one broken end could not be found?
    Just a thought: could the end which was missing have been that part of the paintbrush with which the perp inflicted the injury to JB's vagina? For no doubt that part would have had blood on it, so maybe it was indeed whittled away (or broken into smaller pieces) and the shavings were flushed down the toilet?
     
  18. Paradox

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    The stick is clearly broken. The right end looks more weathered than the left, as if that end was broken more recently. But that could be due to lighting. The breakage is clean and the ends are nearly perpendicular to the shaft, that is not easy to do. Wood that size and shape usually splits up the shaft and splinters alot when snapped.

    That stick was fashioned to fit into something, I think; a holder.
     
  19. SuperDave

    SuperDave Well-Known Member

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    "Just a thought: could the end which was missing have been that part of the paintbrush with which the perp inflicted the injury to JB's vagina? For no doubt that part would have had blood on it, so maybe it was indeed whittled away (or broken into smaller pieces) and the shavings were flushed down the toilet?"

    Or burned. I seem to recall one of the cops mentioning something about the fireplace.

    "So now we have the killer whittling to while away his time."

    With a knife that only three people knew the location of.

    "Ties in with the possibility that JR's black WOOL shirt fibers and PR's jacket fibers could have been taken from the parents' closet to implicate them, which closet was some distance from their sleeping area, separated by a door, stairway ( the straight stairs) , and a bathroom."

    If they were in the closet at all. I have a little trouble picturing this scenario, when a simpler explanation is available.
     
  20. Toltec

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    Two knives were found...a paring knife on the second-floor landing and the swiss army knife in the basement.

    The paring knife could have been used to cut the cord since cord fibers were found on JonBenet's sheets.

    The swiss army knife could have been used to cut the paintbrush...or perhaps score the paintbrush to help in breaking it.

    I would find it hard to break a paintbrush in three pieces!
     
  21. shiloh

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    Good catch, Shiloh. -- I can't take credit for that.

    Does anyone know a source that the stick had been whittled? -- I don't know that this information has ever been published in any book. It was an observation made by a poster named La Contessa, who was a BDI theorist.

    I agree that it does look whittled (otherwise the stick would be a bright blue color that matches the rest of the paintbrush), but I disagree with her theory.
     

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