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By Accident Or On Purpose Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?

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By Accident or on Purpose Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey?

  1. An Intruder Killed JonBenet and Covered Up the Crime

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    7.1%
  2. Patsy Ramsey Acted Alone in Killing JonBenet and Covering Up the Crime

    23 vote(s)
    4.4%
  3. John Ramsey Acted Alone in Killing JonBenet and Covering Up the Crime

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  4. Burke Killed JonBenet with Patsy and John Helping to Cover Up the Crime

    385 vote(s)
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  5. John and Patsy Acted Together in Killing JonBenet and Covering Up the Crime

    29 vote(s)
    5.5%
  6. Other/I Don't Know

    47 vote(s)
    9.0%
  1. MURDERER_SERVANT

    MURDERER_SERVANT Active Member

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    Methinks the rope on the neck was only staging either by J or P. I lean more towards J though.
    It could be that the parents found an unconscious JB and the bloodied paintbrush which she was obviously assaulted with .The stager imo might have tried to hide the sexual assault in case any evidence could be linked to B by wiping her clean and redressing her in clean clothes. Burke 's longjohns were chosen to have an alibi for a possible evidence against B.
    Rope was put on the neck and pulled and the rest of the paintbrush was fashioned as a garrote attached to it either so as the crime look more professional or to put another function for the broken paintbrush in the mix.
     


  2. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    AndHence,

    The ligature might be all staging. There for effect and not much more. BR could have used the ligature minus the paintbrush?

    So I do not think there was a ligature prior to the head blow. Looks like JonBenet was sexually assaulted then whacked on the head?

    BR's long johns: well either he put them on or it was one of the parents?

    Assuming he dressed her in the size-12's, and the long johns were to hand he just used them?

    It could be one the parents deliberately asphyxiated JonBenet then staged the wine-cellar crime-scene?

    I reckon JonBenet was sexually assaulted upstairs along with the blow to her head.

    Taken downstairs she was wiped down and redressed. Its an open question whether she was assaulted again using the paintbrush. Meyer sought a second opinion regarding her vaginal injury, so staging might have been attempted?
     
  3. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    My hunches are:
    BR didn't use the paintbrush in the ligature device and the PR added it later during the staging.
    The ligature wasn't made before the head blow or as any part of a sex game, and I don't believe it was used to drag JB.
    Yes, it was fashioned after the head blow. To kill her. He didn't want her to wake up and tattle on him.
    BR re-dressed her himself. I think there's a possibility that JB donned those things when she got home that night.
     
  4. icedtea4me

    icedtea4me New Member

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    And he couldn't have done that by striking her on the head again because....?
     
  5. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    He could have, but the first blow didn't cause her death, so how was he to know if she would die if he struck her again? or again and again? And further blows to the head probably weren't even required for her to die as she would have ultimately died from the first blow anyway - but she was strangled.
     
  6. Pinkland

    Pinkland New Member

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    So how would Burke know she isn't dead? We know he had to wait a significant amount of time to strangle her.

    With a head injury like that she would appear comatose. How and does a nine year old even know to check for a pulse?

    I would think if I'm going to kill someone intentionally I would not stop till until it was done especially if it's a rage killing. The mo does not add up.

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  7. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    kanzz,
    Yes, Siree. Bleeding into the brain demonstrates JonBenet was still alive. Anyone want to argue about it? Time period five minutes to two hours, who cares?

    We have Blunt Force Trauma to the skull, period. Followed later by ligature asphyxiation, resulting in death.

    Now the ligature asphyxiation might have been intended as staging, i.e. the killer was not aware JonBenet was alive, they thought she was dead, e.g. no obvious signs of life?

    I reckon the parents thought BR killed JonBenet when she was really still alive, and bleeding to the brain, poor girl!

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  8. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    bbm

    The head bash might or might not have been intended to kill, even though it was obviously done in rage.

    The strangulation was obviously purposefully intended to kill.


    How would BR know she wasn't dead?
    People who are alive breathe.

    People who are dead do not breathe.
     
  9. Pinkland

    Pinkland New Member

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    The breathing would have been light. I doubt he would see or hear her breathing...

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  10. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    It is unlikely that "The breathing would have been light". This is not medically sound info.

    With the increase in intracranial pressure, what is most likely is that she would have been exhibiting Cheyne-Stokes breathing. It's a pattern of increasing amplitude and rate, then decreasing, with a short period of apnea; then the cycle resumes. This breathing is audible and as amplitude increases, it is often heard as gasps.
     
  11. Pinkland

    Pinkland New Member

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    Actually that breathing pattern is commonly known as death gasping. Which some do not have.

    Furthermore, we do not know how long JBR would have lived with that head injury prior to the strangulation. So it's hard to determine when she would have been gasping like that if at all.

    Though I'm glad you took the time to Google it...it doesn't make your opinion medically sound either.



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  12. skoogmagoo

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    I think Patsy had a sleep walking incident and did not remember.
     
  13. SuperDave

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    You mean like a fugue?
     
  14. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    No, actually, this is not medically sound info either. "Death gasping", as you call it, is referred to as "agonal breathing" in the medical community. It is completely different from what I described.

    What I stated earlier is accurate. I stand by it.

    I didn't have to google anything. This comes from my own knowledge. I'm an RN. Have been for 37 years.

    JB was alive when she was strangled.
     
  15. Meara

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    Took the time to Google it? kanzz is a RN.
     
  16. Pinkland

    Pinkland New Member

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    Sorry...no offense but I don't care if your a nurse. I've known plenty who can't even insert an IV correctly.

    I'm glad you stand by your opinion though. But I stand by mine as well.

    We do not know if JBR would go into cycles of apnea and gasping because we do not know how long she had the head injury.

    The cycle your describing would develop when the pressure increased inside the head. Thus, the longer the swelling and bleeding occurs the higher the chance of the cycle. Though, it does not develop in every case anyways.

    I do not find it plausible that a 9 year old would have the patience to stand around and find out. Especially, if she is experiencing the apnea part of the cycle that you believed she experienced.


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  17. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    That would be a lot of stuff to not remember.
     
  18. kanzz

    kanzz kanzz=kansas

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    W/E.

    Yes, as the pressure increased.. Which is why I said "intracranial pressure". This type of breathing probably would have started very soon after the head injury.

    The periods of apnea would be very short. Just a few seconds. The entire cycle only takes 20 seconds tops. Not like he would have had to stand around and wait for anything. He had other things to do in that basement.

    We do have a rough idea about how long it might have been between the head blow and the strangulation.
     
  19. UKGuy

    UKGuy Well-Known Member

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    SuperDave,
    Sounds like a fancy term for inventive staging. Lets do a fugue today, we will have Blunt Force Trauma, a sexual assault and a fancy asphyxiation, i.e. an act in three parts.

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  20. Pinkland

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    We know John took melatonin...Does anyone know if any other sleeping pills were found in the house?

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