CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #6

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  1. arkansasmimi

    arkansasmimi Well-Known Member

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    Disneyland photo with grandparents and extended family is same day, dressed same.

    But agree. One sister Even said no contact in 19 yrs, but her account posted to Turpin acct. If they had reason to think something up, they could have made up something for a welfare check. At anytime. No LEO had any record of anyone contacting. Even neighbor across street who even took them their mail, yet she also saw nothing. Something was going on, that's for sure. But taking what we been told doesn't make sense. Slept all day yet up all night? Yet went to CC, neighbor across street shared hello's, kids to mail box. It's sad situation, but human nature is to take our own life experiences to form opinions. Media is to grab attention. Just like the multiple articles with Texas neighbors contradict. Or speaking of stuff that happened when 29 was in early elem. Yet no one they have had contact, real contact with have come forward saying anything. Only neighbors who tell about a memory at age 10, but she's 25 now? Or same didn't even know had moved just tell about mess allegedly left behind.

    It's early in investigation so I think kids where need to be until sorted out. I trust the DA and LEO, try to keep open mind what actually said instead of my opinion meant by said. Hard but I don't trust media
     


  2. newsjunkie

    newsjunkie Not to be confused with A_News_Junkie

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  3. Datchery

    Datchery Active Member

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    There is zero doubt in my mind that these survivors were horrifically abused for years. None at all. But I do want to address the points made by those who are questioning some of the details.

    AFAIK, the comments about the children's mental states came from LE, not from experts in education and childhood psychology/trauma. And they came very quickly after the kids were rescued, and at a point in which immediate medical needs were likely taking priority over cognitive assessment. So it is quite possible to me that LE's impressions of the children's educational and knowledge level were not 100% accurate. If the 17 year old has the educational level of a third grader, for instance, it wouldn't be shocking for someone who doesn't typically work with children to confuse that with first-grade level knowledge.

    Similarly, I believe completely that one or more of the children said something to give LE the impression that he or she didn't know what a police officer or medication was. That doesn't necessarily mean that impression was accurate. Maybe the kid didn't recognize the word "cop" or "detective," but actually did have a general sense of what the police did. Maybe a kid who looked confused was asked directly "Do you know what pills are?" and said "no" because she was so scared of giving the wrong answer. In a case like this, it has to be really, really hard to figure out what the kids know and don't know given the layers of trauma they must be dealing with. An untrained officer isn't going to be able to make that kind of assessment.As others have said, it also might well be that some children, based on age or some other characteristic, wound up more thoroughly isolated than the others. But I'm sure all of them are developmentally well behind where they should be.

    Given that this is a case in which we KNOW that these kids were kept filthy, starved, and, sometimes, chained I think it makes a lot more sense to assume some version of the above than to think that the DA is trying to exaggerate the abuse in order to win a case. There's no need to exaggerate when the facts are this bad.
     
  4. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    Great!

    Maybe now some normalcy for them.
     
  5. Niner

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    Late here - almost 11pm - so hoping someone will post a video of the hearing coming up in 1/2 an hour!

    Took all day to read the last thread and this one, but I did skip over every other page....
     
  6. nyvictoria

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    I agree. I doubt they enjoyed it. It was just another form of torture. They were allowed to clean themselves, out in nice clean clothes, treated to a day or two of fresh air and possibly a good meal. All the while knowing they had to return home to to a dark, smelly house and chains. Torture!!


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  7. Margo/Mom

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    I don't know that assisted living in the US has any single definition. Some such facilities are attached to "retirement communities" and actually are simple apartments in a building that also has a common dining area and some organized activities (shopping, etc) and easy access (via an intercom, perhaps) to crisis care. Others may be more like "group homes" for adults with a range of disabilities. May or may not have shared activities, like cooking. Some of these are apartment like, but others are converted single family homes.

    Depending on a lot of things (like the size of the facility or the needs of residents), staff can be 24/7 on site, or simply provide intermittent "case management" (things like monitoring medications, making health care appointments, setting up transportation, etc) on a daily or weekly basis. Some are intended to be transitional (like what you describe)--helping an adult with some kind of disability, or a foster child who has "aged out" of foster care, or even someone who has been homeless for some time, gain skills and supports (like a job, or connection to various services) so that they can move on to more independent living.

    In this case, hard to tell. At any rate I think we are looking at some sheltered independence.
     
  8. arkansasmimi

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    Totally agree. That's why I trying stick to only facts.
     
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  10. Margo/Mom

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    I believe in one of the pressers the DA said that they were chained up as punishment. Sooo, if someone talked back? or tried to go outside? or washed above the wrist (this was actually cited as an example), they would be chained up.Possibly even random, as in, who happened to be close by when someone was angry about something. I don't think the chains were about preventing anyone from running away. Those "chains" consisted of internal fears.
     
  11. arkansasmimi

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    What cake photo from 2002? And you're correct, nothing in 2002 or Eve after have anything to do with charges against Turpins now. Except 1/1/2010 until 1/14/18 as noted in Complaint. And we haven't seen much of anything at all, for that timeframe. As far as my comment about 2002 was about grandparents and extended family. we know factually that Grandparents and extended family have had contact with Turpin family in timeframe of Complaint.
     
  12. Spice

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    You are certainly allowed the personal opinion of "not trusting the media". Would you please provide links to the asserted contradictions that you are speaking of with the Texas neighbor?
    Responses and questions bolded by me.
     
  13. sunnybree

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    Perhaps a lawyerly person could help us out here but take the charge of deprivation of liberty, for example. It is my understanding that in order to be found guilty of such a charge, DT and LT would only have had to detain each child’s liberty ONCE. Only one time in chains, that’s a crime and a serious one. Further we already know the 17 year old took pictures of three in chains, and the police actually caught LT and DR in the act of unchaining two. It doesn’t matter if the oldest son was allowed to attend college. If on any occasion he was tied up or even prevented from leaving the home through physical means, threats, or intimidation, that is a crime.

    In my professional experience of abused children, they are not necessarily restricted in their homes. They are usually not homeschooled (homeschooling is a bit different in Australia, parents have to use a curriculum and the child must turn in assignment work etc, so a significant evidence of parental effort is required.) These children go out to school every day, surrounded by teachers and adults, no parent in sight. Yet, these children very often never disclose the abuse in these settings. The psychological chains binding them to the abuser are so strong, the children often only will disclose the full abuse months or even years after leaving the abuse. Abusive adults, including those far down the chain of awfulness, will take steps to further strengthen these chains, particularly in sexual and physical abuse. For example: “no one will ever believe you” “if you tell you’ll be taken away and never see your brothers and sisters again” “if you don’t do x y z out there you’re going to get it”. “How could you do this to me?” And on and on. For me it’s totally believable that some kids were allowed out some times. The parents are confident they’ll never tell. It’s just another way to assert power over the kids.

    As for FB, just about every abusive or neglectful parent I have known of are on FB. Of course LT was, it totally fits the pattern. And all the parents would post pictures with comments like “my babies” while in truth the parent is using drugs and forgetting to feed the children or take out the garbage (ever). LT and DT do seem a lot more cunning than your average abusive/neglectful parent. Most live openly chaotic lives in every respect. Only on social media can these parents create a life that looks free of it.
     
  14. Spice

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    Respectfully, I see a ton of denying facts and minimizing facts, which in turn, minimizes the abuse these children suffered, which I find truly upsetting, extremely disturbing, and highly inappropriate.
     
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    I agree with you. It was really too early for the medical/mental health professionals to diagnose specific learning deficiencies and cognitive problems.

    But I would also urge caution when you say, "we KNOW that this kids _____." I don't KNOW anything, other than what the police and the prosecutor have said. I don't think they are lying to me, but I haven't seen pictures from the inside of the house. I haven't seen pictures of the children when they were placed in protective custody. Many of the other things that I have been told have been from the children telling police officers things, and then the police officers telling other police officers things, and finally the head police officer making a statement or the DA making a statement. I don't know the context of those statements. "They would only let us take a shower once per year." OR "they would eat Apple pie in front of us while we were starving." OR "if we washed our hands above our wrists we would get beaten." Do all the kids, when separated, agree with that?

    It's not that I disbelieve what I'm being told, as much as I'm withholding judgment until I see the proof and hear from the other side.

    I will say that the DA certainly seems to be running in front of the cameras when many other large jurisdictions would have a spokesperson do the talking. Does he have political ambitions? Maybe and maybe not.
     
  17. Margo/Mom

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    I take your point. However, in some states, there has been growing awareness of the needs of kids who "age out" of foster care at age 18. A kid with a stable family, even if they move out at age 18 still has a family for back up, may still be on the family phone plan, have a parent paying college tuition, etc. Locally, the mental health system was becoming overloaded with kids who fell apart when they lost their foster kid status. So, as a solution, there have been various things talked about or put in place. One is extending foster care to age 21. Another is to provide an assisted living variation (especially if the former-foster has a baby) to help ease the transition. So, my hope would be that this is the kind of help they are getting. Not the same exactly as what you are suggesting (an actual FAMILY), but still could be in something like the same ball park.
     
  18. Spice

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    I haven't seen them, must have missed them while reading every thread. What are the contradictions that you see and what substantiated facts led you to see them?
     
  19. arkansasmimi

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    Not minimizing anything. Nor denying any facts.
     
  20. Bill Carson

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