CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #7

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  1. TeaTime

    TeaTime Well-Known Member

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    Simply put, there is no reasonable or rational explanation for how these people were treated. Reasonable people can not rationalize the irrational.

    What happened to these people is a crime and the perps will pay for that crime.

    Professionals will take care of the victims and the perps.

    But, this time, the perps will wear the chains and be imprisoned. The victims are freed.

    I pray for their quick and complete recovery.

    There really isn't anything more to discuss.
     


  2. TTF14

    TTF14 Spaceship Headlight Pattern Expert

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    I'm a loving mother. I really do not need photographic proof to convince me that holding a child captive until she's 29 years old is extreme abuse.
     
  3. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    I think it is possible that they were going to all be chained up and left to die while the parents took off to another state. I think the 17 year old knew it was now or lay chained up and left to die.

    All amateur opinion and speculation
     
  4. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Doctors have clearly stated malnutrition, etc.
     
  5. Lucyray

    Lucyray Well-Known Member

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    Adding on to your comment...I am surprised that any nurse or medical personnel would make a statement at all about these victims. I do not agree with passing this type of information on. Do we need to hear this? Feels like a gossip rag now. The whole world gets to hear that some of them might not know how to brush their teeth?! Privacy laws. My opinion only.


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  6. Vedder

    Vedder John 3:16

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    We may not have seen current photos but we have heard from the doctors seeing the victims with their own eyes and treating them that they are malnourished. My bet is on the doctors knowing what they’re talking about.


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  7. arkansasmimi

    arkansasmimi Well-Known Member

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    Per all information we've had they have homeschooled for years .
     
  8. ILikeToBendPages

    ILikeToBendPages Well-Known Member

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    Yep Billy Bobs. My brother band played as the house band many times over the years.


    Billy Bobs (1981) was to be the next Gilley's. They look alot younger in first photo. I'm wondering if they ever watched Urban Cowboy? It came out in 1980.



    trivia - Mickey Gilley is related to Jerry Lee Lewis and Jimmy Swaggert
     
  9. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Looks like a typo? Her name is shown twice which can't be correct.

    moo
     
  10. bears10

    bears10 Well-Known Member

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    Welp, finally caught up on the thread. Gonna go scream into a pillow now.

    I don’t have the energy to rebut anyone who thinks 12 children being starved, chained, hogtied, deprived of food and access to a bathroom, can be justified in any way shape or form. Chaining your kids because they have behavioral issues? Yeah no. Starving your kids because they have diabetes? Hard no. Sorry, but none of the bizarre justifications that I’ve read make sense imo, and frankly I am concerned.
     
  11. MyBelle

    MyBelle Well-Known Member

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    Try this:
    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sadistic
    sadistic
    [suh-dis-tik, sey-, sa-]

    Word Origin

    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    adjective
    1.
    pertaining to or characterized by sadism; deriving pleasure or sexual gratification from extreme cruelty:
    a sadistic psychopath.
     
  12. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Well-Known Member

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    Sadism: enjoyment*that*someone*gets*from being*violent*or*cruel*or*from*causing pain*;*especially*:*sexual*enjoyment from*hurting*or*punishing*someone

    Lust - pleasure

    Sadism - enjoyment from punishing someone

    Really, this is just basic comprehension of words as they are used in context.

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  13. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Thank you for this summation.

    I think there will always be people vested in disbelieving facts, for a variety of reasons. I hope such people are ferreted out of the jury pool.
     
  14. Ewood66

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    I agree completely about "invisible chains"... psychologically, these can be as effective as physical ones. IF (and this is a big IF) any of the children had challenging behaviours, it is unlikely that these "behaviours" would not surface when out in public and in completely foreign environments. If anything, this is likely to escalate the behaviours (if you are working from the perspective these kids were shackled due to having disabilities - which is still not a legitimate reason IMHO).
     
  15. MyBelle

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    Hospitals in most states do provide the media with condition reports on patients brought in by taxpayer-provided transport.
     
  16. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Agree completely. I don’t want the marvelous 13 turned in to a sideshow.
     
  17. vlpate

    vlpate Sleuther with a porpoise

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    ****NOT JUSTIFICATION**** ****NOT JUSTIFICATION**** ****NOT JUSTIFICATION****

    I don't know that anyone has said there were "legitimate" reasons, but finding angles the defense might use is what some do here. Take the restraints -
    Schools, and they were homeschooled, were/are allowed to restrain children with autism and other severe behavioral problems (extent of my knowledge)...so might a defense attorney in a high profile case try to build reasonable doubt with this? JMO

    ****NOT JUSTIFICATION**** ****NOT JUSTIFICATION**** ****NOT JUSTIFICATION****
     
  18. FinallyRegistered

    FinallyRegistered Active Member

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    I agree, Lucy; however, as you can see, there are people right on this very thread willing to justify and provide excuses for the horrible behavior of these parents, so maybe as a society we do need to hear the details to understand the horror.
     
  19. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Invisible chains.
    All zookeepers know that if you cage a majestic tiger long enough you can leave open the door to their cage and they are too fearful to escape.
    Luckily, there was one little fearless tigress who ventured out...
     
  20. arkansasmimi

    arkansasmimi Well-Known Member

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    Possibly but that was 2012-2013
     
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