CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #8

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  1. missmargot

    missmargot Well-Known Member

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    On the previous thread someone asked whether the children have been drug tested. It made me think of the Shannon Matthews case in the UK and the evidence of long term sedation. 13 sedated, terrified children would have been even easier for the parents to control IMO.
     


  2. ElizabethAnne

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  3. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Kindness matters - always

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    Can you provide a link stating they didn't need a fire inspection?

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  4. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Kindness matters - always

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    For me, how I feel about a trial depends on what the older kids prefer. It's possible to go to trial on just a few of the worst charges on a few "kids" who are willing to testify and get them locked up for life.

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  5. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I think this link wil take you there Zelda. Let me know if not.
    https://vimeo.com/249411289/5ad0f677b2

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  6. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Kindness matters - always

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  7. Leila

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    I seem to remember it was the oldest girl who tried to escape while they lived in Texas. I recall something being said about the girl being about 16, hitching a ride with someone, and asking questions about 'how do you get a driver's license', 'how do you get a job', etc. If it was the oldest girl and she was about 16, it would have happened about 2003/2004, when she was probably a lot stronger.
     
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  9. ElizabethAnne

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    The Education Code is the state statute that regulates private schools and the only ones that are actually regulated that are private are called NPSs (non public schools). Private home schools are not. See https://www.cde.ca.gov/sp/ps/homeschool.asp for more details.

    Also if you look at the Perris Municipal Code online, it refers to fire safety inspections (licensed care) required by the state. This involves any home that has licensed care that the Community Care Licensing Division regulates. Small family day care homes and large family day care homes require proof of a fire inspection in order to obtain a license from the State. Also inspectors from the state have drop in inspections on a regular basis to see if the regulations are being followed. The Perris municipal code is all on-line.
     
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    Not sure if this has been mentioned but I noticed a couple of things in these pictures that I found curious. At this link:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01...use-of-horrors-in-perris-family-torture-case/

    Pic 2/15 or pic 5/15 (I think is almost the same pic) shows what appears to be wooden bunk beds through the front window. Those wood slats look like the ones that were loaded in police vehicles and taken as evidence. Got me to thinking, were the children chained so close to their bed that they laid in their own waste on the top bunk dripping down to the bottom bunk? Or could they get down to the ground just not get out of the room?

    Pic 7/15 shows an officer carrying a box that says "Everything Christian for Less".
    (no words . . . . )
     
  11. Pamela_Brewer

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    Can't adults take "courses" at college that require no school records at all?
    Senior citizen computer courses for instance.
    MOO

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    Does Disney/Disney Hotels or Las Vegas have any kind of child trafficking decals on the inside of the ladies bathroom stalls?
    Call 1-800- xxx-xxxx
    Or 911 for help?
    I've seen them at movie theaters and the mall.
    Haven't been to Disney in 37 years. I believe I saw them at 6 flags in 1994.
    MOO
    ETA: what about billboards?
    I'm thinking the child saw something like this and remembered it.
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  13. human

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    Interesting. I would think the opposite so an intruder cannot lift the screen from the outside. Mine came out inside, then the windows tilt into the house . Easy easy to wash from inside. No ladders needed on the outside. An advert here for the best windows and the best company that takes care of their employees. Marvin windows.

    Anyway, so screens may have been more tricky for that house. Still, I wonder what precautions the “parents” had to protect from escape.
     
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    Shackles are Us. They would have to be handcuffed and leg cuffed?
     
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    Thinking about these monsters going to trial. What could they possibly use as a defense? Insanity? I can't think of any other defense that could possibly work.




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    Insanity is a very stringent plea. Almost impossible to get.
     
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    I think they were very secure about their control of the victims.
     
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    I don't think that will fly. They both knew what they were doing needed to be hidden. They're just a couple of sadistic so and so's. But I don't think crazy under the eyes of the law.
     
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    The wood tone seen through the open window does seem to be the same as whatever piece of furniture they dismantled and were carrying out. It could be bunk beds or something else. I have a feeling the children were shackled to beds in addition to other furniture as well.
     
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    I tend to think there will be a trial, but I suspect the defense is going to ask for a change of venue, as they often do in high-profile cases. That may take time. I think most southern California court rooms have a fairly full schedule already on their calendar, so it's going to be finding a court that can free up time on their calendar to accommodate the Turpin trial. They may have to go north to Kern County, or west to Ventura County or Santa Barbara County, or south to Imperial County. I know of one court house that is completely open and it would be an excellent choice.

    As far as the parents are concerned.......I can't see them pleading guilty to some charges if the end result is still life in prison. I doubt they would do anything to spare the children from having to testify.

    I think being a witness in a high profile trial is stressful for anyone, but so much more stressful for a victim. A trial will be traumatic for these victims as they seem so vulnerable. But, it's up to the victims to decide if they want to testify. Some may want to testify because it's a means of closure and having the courage to confront their torturers.

    As far as outcome of the trial is concerned.............if it's proved that these 12 children were falsely imprisoned and tortured, and that malnourishment has left them with any long-term disability, I'm sure they'll get life in prison without parole. I can't see anything less than that.

    I don't think DT and LT will qualify as insane. They knew what they were doing was wrong and made all sorts of attempts to hide it. When law enforcement was on their doorstep, banging on the door, they were attempting to undo the chains/padlocks from three of their children. They were able to get two free before the police entered. That shows they were well aware of how the police officers would view three children being held in chains/shackles. I'm sure these details are in the initial police reports. At trial, those police officers who were the first to enter the Turpin home, will be on the witness stand.
     
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