CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #9

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  1. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    Humans are the most adaptable of species. Just because kids are uneducated, or young, does not mean that they cannot problem solve. I've sat and watched my dog problem solve on how to get into a groundhog hole. Again, kids as young as 7 & 8, around here, drive farm machinery on the highway. You don't need a college degree, nor be over a certain age, to begin thinking for yourself, or learning on your own. An acquaintance's son decided at age 5 that he was going to drive. Snuck out, got into the car, put it in gear, and got it rolling. Unfortunately it was on a hill and he couldn't reach the brake. It came to rest across the street in a neighbor's yard, thankfully no one was hurt. Same, very inquisitive kid, was not even in Kindergarten but figured out, just by watching, how to navigate, and buy stuff, on the computer. His grandparents had a whopper of a bill after stuff from Amazon started showing up on their doorstep.
     


  2. Satch

    Satch Well-Known Member

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    In studying this case it appears that the following occurred:

    The Turpin's followed multiple cult-like religions at the same time. Can someone tell us what the practiced and a brief description (like one sentence) of each one. I wonder how much each religion played into no social life for the kids, except without a parent present, no TV, no music, no media influence. Many of these cult religions demand authority compliance.

    What would be the justification for the Turpin parents to have a filthy house with human waste? How would there legal defense justify this, other than an insanity plea? I could see those monsters doing that to torture the kids. The problem is the parents having to live in the same environment. And most narcissists, like the Turpin's, have an obsession with cleanliness, not keeping things filthy.

    Did Louise ever work in her life? Or have any responsibilities growing up through the years? She reminds me so much of Carrie White's Mother in the movie Carrie. Carrie was abused by her religious-fanatic Mother who also isolated her from the outside world. Carrie had telekinetic powers. The ability to move objects by force, and used her powers to strike back at her bullying high school classmates at her Senior Prom.

    I wonder if Louise and/or David believed in Witchcraft or spiritual rituals? Is there any religion out there sick enough that would in practice justify the abuse and torture of kids as a way to control them?

    Satch
     
  3. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I saw no locks on those doors. I just don't want to make this worse than it is with information that we don't have. The charges are from 2010 forward so I'd not be sure if the TX home will even be allowed into evidence. Gitana1, might would know about that though.
     
  4. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I think those dogs were only about a year old, iirc. The new hadn't worn off. The new hadn't worn off of Survivor 13 yet, either.
     
  5. SATA

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    We don´t know anything about the dynamics between the siblings.
    There may be a reason to split them up.

    Often abusers like the Turpins have their favourite children who help with the abuse.

    I am not blaming anyone (but the parents), but think about the Knorr case.
    Theresa Knorr groomed her boys to torment the girls.
    There have been other cases, can´t remember the names from the top of my head.

    So we just don´t know.

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    You have to wonder WHY this happened.
    There is a lot of hate in what the parents did.
    Louise Turpin was sexually abused (grandfather?) when she was a child.
    That would have messed her up big time.

    What about David Turpin?
    To me he looks like he could have mild to medium autism - has anyone else thought that?
    Was he easily led?

    Who was the "leader" in all this? Louise or David? Both - a united front against their children?
     
  6. Zelda1010

    Zelda1010 Active Member

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    Not that you need me to tell you this, but you have a way with words. You've stated this so much better than I.

    It does make sense that #12 is closer to 4 and #1 would be closer to 21 (making her young teen appearance more uncomfortable for me, but still within the realms of "normal" criminal negligence and abuse).

    And would this then also jive with the move to CA and place it closer to 2010 as PP proposed?

    imagev164f28c8d75e32a62c0c7a2c0ec5adfd7-juk5su2ayvkk3c10mp2_ct1024x768.jpg
     
  7. Stunned

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    Do we know for sure she had a drivers license?
     
  8. Leila

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    I seem to remember an article in the first few days after this story broke that stated that the older children had the 'knowledge' of a first grader. This makes sense. I think what it may be referring to is the childrens knowledge of what life in the world outside the confines of their home is like. How things work, how society functions, etc.

    I can't see any hospital (assisted living) releasing any information on a patient in their care, and especially not to a celebrity doctor who would be likely to repeat that information publicly.

    I think Dr. Oz has read the same article we have read and is stating the older ones have a "mind of a first grader" suggesting they have a low IQ as opposed to a lack of knowledge.
     
  9. Spice

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    No. We don't.

    We have :

    One known occasion that an "older survivor" escaped / ran away and was given a ride by a local back to her house. ( I 'cant) While in the car, this sibling asked "how do I get a drivers license" and "How do I get a job?"
    This was in Texas, shortly after they arrived in the neighborhood.

    And

    Statements from Neighbors in Perris that "the oldest girl was seen driving the car".

    As far as I know, that hasn't been substantiated, and we don't know if the neighbor saw LT driving and thought she saw one of the siblings. Neighbors were also stunned to learn that DT/LT had 13 children, as they only ever saw a few of the older ones outside of the home on specific occasions. Nativity etc.

    It has never been reported that the survivor has an actual drivers license, just a neighbor stating that she saw one of the oldest siblings driving.

    :moo:
     
  10. Leila

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    The pictures that include the baby who was born in the spring of 2015 are the most recent pictures. The picture where all the children are wearing the "Thing" tee-shirts, in which the baby appears to be about 6 to 9 months old, is probably the latest picture. So, my guess is that's the latest picture of the all the children and taken in late fall - November of 2015 - January 2016. About 2 years ago.
     
  11. Bill Carson

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    Okay, this is creepier than I had imagined. You've got twelve kids in four groups of three, each group wearing the same outfit. One group has the three boys, then three groups of girls by age.

    I'd bet good money that the Turpin home was set up for five bedrooms (remember, it had a room that was an option of a den or 5th bedroom): One bedroom for the parents, and one bedroom for each of the groups of three.

    Makes you wonder if the 13th child was the first of the next group of three.
     
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    Gag me with a spoon. Is this REALLY being considered? Please say no. I can't even.
     
  13. Spice

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    It was definitely reported early on that the survivors were kept "separated" from each other. Certain groups in certain bedrooms.

    And BT stated that LT/DT would "line" the children up by age in photographs and when "out" in public. Which was basically never, and which she was likely gathering for the posed "normalcy" photos on FB and the orchestrated "family' trip to Disney.

    I remember that clearly.
     
  14. newsjunkie

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    In regards to the neighbor seeing one of the girls driving, we have no way of knowing which girl they supposedly saw. They never saw all 13 together. Didn’t even know that many kids were there. The first three girls could be interchangeable at a glance from a neighbor’s yard. Same with the other two sets of three girls.
     
  15. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    In the case of the young man, Wesley, that I linked earlier, (and again, below) his siblings had tried to sneak him food. They got caught and then were afraid to help him anymore. He was his step-father's whipping boy. His mom stood by and did nothing. She knew, before they married, that he hated Wesley, she'd witnessed him punch him in the face, before they married.

    It only took a year for the starving to cause a very significant change to appear in Wesley (along with the severe physical abuse).

    This is why I think that there may have been periods of the T sibs getting more food. I don't think anyone could survive on a meager meal, once a day, from the age of a very young child, to adulthood. It would lend to why they had growth spurts, allowing them to reach heights as tall, and taller than, their mom, and in some photos, some of them looked to carry a bit more weight,than others, too. If one or more got caught planning an escape, or attempted one, or broke a rule, one or all, may have gotten put on lock-down, and on the one meal plan. Perhaps for weeks/months, with the most serious offender(s) shackled, as well (three at the time LE came to the door b/c they'd discovered an escape attempt, iirc.).

    I think the parents had come up with their own stripe of "religion" but like other abusers, may have used it as their justification to do what they did. Just using as an example, the Duggar girl spoke of being lifted by the throat for not brushing her teeth.

    There are many who are sexually abused, and who have had trusted family, do highly inappropriate things to them, that they struggle with throughout life, but it comes out in different ways for different people. LT may have started out being fearful of letting them out into the world, and her paranoia grew into something very sick, and twisted. I see her as having some sort of psychiatric problem and, DT seems to be very awkward/backward, but I'd not make the mistake of thinking of him as being a pushover.

    IANA psychiatrist, just going on the videos, and gut, FWIW, I think the two became a united front. They remind me of people who are very wrapped up in each other, and "things", but the kids, not so much. Had they married someone else, this may never have happened. Together, it was a match and gasoline.

    Wesley's story:
    http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/27/news/mn-16711
     
  16. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    We have only been told, through MSM that one was seen driving a vehicle. I didn't state that she had a license.
     
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    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    BBM
    This is how I think too, but, this is where the old game "Telephone" comes into play.
     
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    BBM - Yes, very creepy. I've studied all of the uncensored pictures immensely. The more you look at them, more creepy and odd things you start to notice.

    Ps the order goes: girl, boy, girl, boy, girl, girl, girl, girl (who escaped), boy, girl, girl, girl, and lastly baby girl.

    MSM article which showed the names and relative ages of the adult children is wrong in terms of the order of the adult children.
     
  19. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I have a hard time distinguishing them. I finally made photo and listed the names over the heads of the ones I'd figured out so I could have something to refer to, myself, in my head, rather than calling them #s.
     
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    This is what Amy Duggar wants. So I will say “No” it’s not really being considered, except by Amy on Twitter. There is no way this will happen. The state is working hard for the benefit of the survivors, and handing them over to a reality show family would not be to their benefit at all.
     
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