CA - 14 killed in San Bernardino mass shooting, 2 Dec 2015 #2

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  1. CARIIS

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    same link

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  2. Boytwnmom

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    Interesting. A lot of the talk theorizes that she was the impetus. But he could have been targeted. It's so bizarre to me. Someone who lives all his life in U.S., good education & gov job that treats him well, accommodates his religious needs. And suddenly he wants to do jihad and likely die. She had to have been radicalized before they met at least in my mind.

    I do think they had something else planned. Something bigger. I'm not even sure the attack they did was the focus of the plan. But they were caught and killed fortunately. But they had an arms and bomb stockpile that had been accumulated for a reason. I think the people there were very lucky although that is very hard to say as too many weren't lucky.



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  3. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Knower of Things

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    The radical Islamists are just this generation's flavor, but actually on a much smaller level.

    If you study history you'll see that Christians took it to a whole new level in the 1400s and 1500s. Remember the Salem witch trials of the 1400s? Burned hundreds of people at the stake because of the fear they were possessed or were witches. Hitler took it to yet another level in the 1930s to 1945. 25+ million people murdered. Look at Somalia with the ongoing civil war. Based on race, religion. Millions murdered and that's been going on since the 1980s. Look at Ireland and the decades of war within that one country (Irish Republican Army). The common thread is: I/We are right and you are wrong and you have no worth and you need to be exterminated and everyone like you or anyone that believes what you believe also needs to be exterminated.
     
  4. K_Z

    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    It takes generations, several to many, to eliminate the scourge of a radicalized ideology, following events to conquer and re-establish order and peace. And during that time, there can be no "tolerance". Surveillance has to be robust. Historically, over time, this is the ONLY method that has ever worked to "change" and eliminate radical ideologies. Prosperity, even ENFORCED prosperity, has a way of conquering radical ideologies over time.

    It's the idea behind many programs in the U.S. to divert the attention of young men from following a path of radicalization.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/14/somali-muslims-minnesota-counter-extremism-program

    "Tolerance" is the worst plan, with the worst outcome.
     
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    Gypsy Road Well-Known Member

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    True, but today's terrorist have new means to destroy and conquer. Which we are witnessing.
     
  7. CARIIS

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    I so agree- there are reasons why FBI/ATF on scene so quick, they knew it was terrorsim pretty darn quick and are still playing like it "might"
    be - at this point that is just ludicrious and insulting --give me a break IMO
     
  8. Boytwnmom

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    Expert consensus seems to be there are definitely more and it was unlikely they were operating solely on their own. Also obvious the amount of weapons, ammo, bombs and bomb making equipment was being stockpiled for something else, likely larger.


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  9. CARIIS

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    Apparently shooting out of a speeding vehicle takes a skill set

    I sure dont know but i think there would be kickback when shooting one of A15's. I think one of us picking one up (yuk they are just ugly) and firing I think we would fall over

    Obviously they have been playing with them before ....imo
     
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    There more disgusting they I imagined

    [video=youtube;KP8eI6xvqn4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP8eI6xvqn4[/video]
     
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    Cnn 80 at party
     
  12. LaborDayRN

    LaborDayRN In a world where you can be anything, be kind

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    My apologies if this has been posted. I can't imagine receiving this text! My deepest condolences to the families of those loss to this senseless tragedy.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...n-talk-while-she-s-in-icu-20151203-story.html

     
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    This is the kind of informative post I want to 'thanks' but also the kind that includes information that sucks so much you don't want to thank. It's like hitting 'like' on a facebook friend's post when they tell you they have the flu. BUT i'm gonna hit 'thanks' because it was indeed informative! Just, ugh, so worrying.

    I think a lot of western countries are on edge after Paris.
     
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    'They're PULLING out bodies': Workers see chaos from window

    truly took my breath away - you dont think about everything all other people "saw" and thought while watching everything.....


    unreal video caution for some

    [video=youtube;RLDTiXDhaaw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLDTiXDhaaw[/video]
     
  16. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Slight OT: When I was in Salem I visited the memorial. At least one of the victims was put to death by pressing. Pressing! Until then I didn't even know that was a method of execution. Evil always finds a way.
     
  17. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    I would worry about standing in front of a window while all that was going on. Especially if they knew the shooters were still on the loose.
     
  18. CARIIS

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    The more the magitude of this marinates the worse it gets. IMO, this is a cell.

    We have been hearing warnings about "cells" for quite some time, but I think it does not really register what it implies.

    and we are totally powerless....talk about controlling .....................

    and cant tell if like Paris was like a trigger worldwide to roar- they are all different but two 4 days apart is pretty stunning

    shudder to think how long it is gonna take them to move to biochenical...........
     
  19. AmyPond

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    Was she killed inside the car or out? I know I saw a different body (Syed) on the other side of the street in the live feed on CNN. He was clearly killed in that spot. But I am curious if she was killed in or out of the vehicle.

    That's is exactly what I thought while watching too! Scary stuff.
     
  20. CARIIS

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    I would have been in the window also !
     
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