CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #11

[cazador]

The Sheriff's Department declined The Arizona Republic's request for public records, including an initial police report and 911 recording, stating that they are considered investigatory documents and are exempt from disclosure under California law.
Family suspects foul play in disappearance of Bullhead City woman

 

[rosesfromangels]

I wonder why RT feels so strongly BT was taken to Vegas? I know they lived in Henderson at one point, but why would she be taken anywhere? It's far more likely she was disposed of (so sorry to say that) somewhere relatively close by.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[rosesfromangels]

In my world.. 14 years of marriage is just beyond the honeymoon years..
jmho

But it appears they were living a very leisurely life. That tends to reduce the everyday strain.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[MimosaMornings]

I think it’s very sad - she didn’t ever meet her grandchildren. But she was able to go to Canada to see her husband’s family. Perhaps some strange family dynamics. Who knows.

 

[cazador]

So with just one article of many articles posted.. Her family considers Barbara the victim..
Both Her family and LE are investigating RT. With no public acknowledgment from LE other then they are investigating..
jmho

 

[rosesfromangels]

I wish my children and I lived out there. (Her disappearance) would not have happened," he added.

Respectfully snipped for focus and commentary response.
: ( This is so sad. I hope the son doesn't carry guilt about "not being there". As adults, we all choose the lives we live, as his Mom did. It appears she had a very happy life, and I hope those are the memories he will eventually be able to focus on. Very tough stuff. God Bless him.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[cazador]

It's unfortunate his kids never got a chance to meet her.

Where did you get this info ??

 

[rosesfromangels]

So with just one article of many articles posted.. Her family considers Barbara the victim..
Both Her family and LE are investigating RT. With no public acknowledgment from LE other then they are investigating..
jmho

With such an odd disappearance I'm sure they are considering all possibilities. However, to date, we don't have any indication of a crime having taken place. Nothing.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[artsy1]

yes we could apply the same sensible assumptive mentality to Barbara.
there is no physical proof she drank any alcohol that day either.

moo

I agree. IIRC, RT said she was "holding a beer", not drinking a beer. He said he was carrying water. So we really don't know what either of them had to drink (beer or water) that day.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I agree. IIRC, RT said she was "holding a beer", not drinking a beer. He said he was carrying water. So we really don't know what either of them had to drink (beer or water) that day.

But at the same time, why carry around a beer for that long if it's just a prop?

 

[cazador]

With such an odd disappearance I'm sure they are considering all possibilities. However, to date, we don't have any indication of a crime having taken place. Nothing.

Amateur opinion and speculation

She is not here anymore and He is... That is a Fact...

She did not fall off a boat in the Atlantic..
How this happened in RT own words is virtually impossible, in my opinion.

But I do consider it an accident. It was my first thought that she dropped of a heat stroke..
Giving RT the benefit of the doubt and treating him as victim.
Closing my eyes to 80 SAR people including specialists and air support.

I will go check the possibility on my own feet with all Prayers in place that he is correct.
That is as fair as anyone can be.

It should be looked at with a good attitude.
Positive attitude to find Barbara Thomas.

But to be blind to all that is possible is foolish ...
You must be street smart because people are what they are.
There is good in our world and there is evil..
jmho

 

[MsBetsy]

I think it’s very sad - she didn’t ever meet her grandchildren. But she was able to go to Canada to see her husband’s family. Perhaps some strange family dynamics. Who knows.

She seemed to be close to Robert's daughter and his family. Maybe since she lived closer to them they saw them more often.
Wasn't Robert's daughter her closest friend?
I wish we had heard more from her. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

Where did you get this info ??

I thought the VI said Barbara never met her grandchildren. We had a big conversation about how they communicated. Some wondered why they called her Grandma Barbie if they had never met her.
I remember because I posted that my daughter had never met my mother either but whenever we talk about her we refer to her by the name her mother called her with "grandma" in front if it.
Another poster agreed that one does not have meet in person to refer to them as grandma Barbie, or whatever it may be.
The VI said that he was only aware of them reuniting recently and Matt had contacted her on at least one occasion not long before she went missing. Imo

 

[al66pine]

Indication of Crime?

With such an odd disappearance I'm sure they are considering all possibilities. However, to date, we don't have any indication of a crime having taken place. Nothing.
Amateur opinion and speculation

@rosesfromangels
To date, LE stmts have not explicitly said they are investigating BT's disappearance as a crime.

Possible indications of crime having taken place, other than LE explicit stmts.
1) Some ppl who believe RT's stmts/opinions about BT (likely) being abducted may see those as an indication of a crime having taken place.
2) Some others may see various other factors re circumstances of BT's disappearance as indications of a crime having taken place.
3) Some may see LE action of assigning case to the special investigations unit (forgot exact name), as ambiguous, as to whether investigation continues as a MisPers case or a crime of unspecified nature.
jmo, could be wrong.

 

[MsBetsy]

With such an odd disappearance I'm sure they are considering all possibilities. However, to date, we don't have any indication of a crime having taken place. Nothing.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Yes, it's been more than three months and we still have no evidence that a crime has been committed.
I'm sure LE has been following up on whatever leads they may have had.
If those ever led to anything they sure have kept quiet about it.
I'm still thinking we may never hear anything from them again until they find a body.

Imo

 

[Penny4YourThoughts]

Welcome to WS @divineappt!

Snipped from your link "...investigators were looking into all leads. The agency's Specialized Investigations Division has assumed the investigation into Thomas' disappearance, according to Bachman. The department's website states that the Specialized Investigations Division is composed of homicide detail, crimes against children and technology crimes."

?what on earth has been done with Barbara and how have no leads surfaced?

Challenging the notion that there are no solid indications of a crime: Why would the Specialized Investigations Division take over the case if that were true? Anyone here w LE knowledge to set me straight? TIA
IMO, LE knows much that we don't.

 

[PaulR]

Challenging the notion that there are no solid indications of a crime: Why would the Specialized Investigations Division take over the case if that were true? Anyone here w LE knowledge to set me straight? TIA
IMO, LE knows much that we don't.

They would have gotten involved as soon as they gave RT a polygraph, since that division does polygraphs.

Specialized Investigations – San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department

This is dangerously close to "why would the police talk to you if they didn't think you committed a crime."

 

[K9Enzo]

Challenging the notion that there are no solid indications of a crime: Why would the Specialized Investigations Division take over the case if that were true? Anyone here w LE knowledge to set me straight? TIA
IMO, LE knows much that we don't.

Not LE here.

Specialized Investigations Division has this case because they are investigating foul play OR it's standard for missing persons cases to end up in this department, no foul play suspected.

Where do missing persons cases end up? IMO, it depends on the department structure.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Bumping for Barbara!

Over 3 months now since she disappeared.

No recent LE or family statements, no press conferences.

I wish for her family to get some news about her soon!

 

[darring21]

Challenging the notion that there are no solid indications of a crime: Why would the Specialized Investigations Division take over the case if that were true? Anyone here w LE knowledge to set me straight? TIA
IMO, LE knows much that we don't.

When LE discontinued searching, they stated that the case would be handed over to Specialized Investigations Division as is standard for their department for missing persons cases. Conversely, it may be because they suspect foul play. We have no way of knowing but we do know that missing person cases with no foul play do end up in their Specialized Investigations Division.