CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #6

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  1. AzPistonsGirl

    AzPistonsGirl Detroit to the Bone

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    Paul Miller went missing under similar circumstances (please don't list all the way these 2 are dissimilar, I know they are NOT the same set of circumstances) over 1 year ago... still missing out there in the desert after hiking...

    THREAD 2: CA - CA - Paul Miller, 51, Canadian missing in Joshua Tree Natl Park, San Bernardino Co., 13 Jul 2018 #2

    THREAD 3: CA - CA - Paul Miller, 51, Canadian missing in Joshua Tree Natl Park, San Bernardino Co., 13 Jul 2018 #3

    I share Paul's thread again just for everyone to keep in mind that many people (there are many, many others) go hiking and don't come back... for myriad of reasons... under myriad of circumstances.

    And often, after time - sometimes a very long time - remains are found.

    I am hoping that BT is safe somewhere - and Paul Miller also, and Paul Batson, too for that matter (thread here: MT - MT - Paul Batson, 45, Stillwater County, 29 April 2018)... or they could ALL be missing with completely different outcomes and scenarios.

    It is a little tiny bit odd that in BT's case, (a woman missing) there rests a shadow of doubt over some of the stories told by those close to her and yet, with the other 2 Pauls, (2 men missing) for the most part, there is very little suspicion, just a desperation to find them.
     
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  2. deugirtni

    deugirtni Well-Known Member

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    I am not sure what time RT called 911 to report BT missing, but think I have read people alluding to it being suspicious that he didn't call right away. Imho, calling right away would have made him seem much more suspicious. LE knows what the usual timeframe is for calling in missing persons under such circumstances, and if it varied greatly from that without some kind of a weird explanation, I think it would act as a red flag for them. jmo. (Is that correct that he told the relatives he'd gotten concerned around noon and called 911, but the report says it was actually hours later? - if so, that is a red flag to me in itself.)
     
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  3. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    None that have been reported but that's a question on the list we compiled for reporters. The email addresses are in the media thread if you'd like to help get answers to questions like that one. (Forgive me if you have reached out to the media already, I don't know.) :) MOO
     
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  4. deugirtni

    deugirtni Well-Known Member

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    How well does sound travel there where they were, in the desert?
     
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  5. ChuckMaureen

    ChuckMaureen Well-Known Member

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    1) BT wandered off course, farther than anyone would expect and happened across an animal, mine shaft, cave or some feature from which she was unable to escape or BT succumbed to natural cause at a distance.

    2) BT was abducted along the path between the rock formation(s) and the turnout.

    3) BT disappeared and is remaining out of sight/quiet on purpose.

    4) RT. Enough said for this item.

    For which do you vote?

    It is likely LE has been attempting to dig up every possible detail regarding time line, location and potential motive(s) but... silence silence silence.
     
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  6. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Per dbdb11's sister, RT said he called about noon. Per the dispatch log, the call came in at 3:26 p.m.

    Dispatch Call Log – San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department
    7/12/2019 3:26:24 PM CR CR191930018 CRR1900230 MISPER NAT 936** HIDDEN HILLS RD, KEL
     
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  7. deugirtni

    deugirtni Well-Known Member

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    That's quite a discrepancy! I wonder why he would have stated such a different time? Has he said at what time she actually became separated from him?

    ETA: I have no idea the time diff btwn San Bernardino and HK, but is it possible RT could have been translating the time of his 911 call into HK time for the relatives?
     
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    cazador Well-Known Member

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    Called around noon and Le arrived around 3:30
     
  9. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    It occurs to me that we really have no idea how much time elapsed between the time BT went missing and the time RT called 911.

    Especially given the fact that we don't even really know what time she went missing.

    JMO.
     
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  10. firstsleuth

    firstsleuth Well-Known Member

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    3:23 PM Tuesday now at my home in AZ; same time as California. 6:23 AM Wednesday in HK right now

    ETA: They are 15 hours in the future; to RT’s credit, those time differences always are confusing to our family when traveling to Europe or Australia
     
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    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    It's a huge discrepancy.

    And not for one moment do I think it's b/c he was converting the time she went missing into HK time.
    It wouldn't make any sense for him to do that.

    JMO.
     
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  13. cazador

    cazador Well-Known Member

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    No witnesses at all that we know of. There may have been witness camping or driving by but we have no report of any person speaking up.
    Just RT words and body language to go by.
    We do know what time LE was called by RT and what time they arrived for the first search.
    jmo
     
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  14. artsy1

    artsy1 Well-Known Member

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    The dispatch log would have been the time that LE was dispatched, not arrived. Meaning RT's call to 911 was at 3:26 pm. The closest station to the location is approximately and hour away in Needles.
     
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    We actually don't know when they arrived.
     
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  17. cazador

    cazador Well-Known Member

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    I thought we had LE say something early on .. Sorry if I am wrong.
     
  18. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Partly explained, maybe, by the fact that our VI heard the story from his sister, who was understandably upset when hearing the story from RT.

    There's still a bit of a timeline problem (the police obviously have a better idea and have probably talked to him a few times). If he called dispatch at 3:26 pm after looking for Barbara for an hour, then Barbara went missing around 2:26 (between 2:16 and 2:26). Being that humans are involved, those are approximate. It's two hours from their house in Bullhead City to the intersection where LE met RT. They left at 8:15.

    Most RVers gas up the evening or day before, without the trailer in tow. Barb had already dropped off the dog. The 2 mile hike would have taken about an hour, although let's say they had a lunch beforehand. Anyway, they would have started after noon. Still a couple of hours of time not accounted for by what the VI's sister said RT told her.
     
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  19. artsy1

    artsy1 Well-Known Member

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    I know the confusion comes from RT telling our VI (who posted it publicly) that she went missing around noon. It was LE who said she went missing around 2:30 - which jives with the dispatch log since RT said he looked for her for an hour before calling LE.

    No worries.
     
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  20. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    No. The call came into dispatch at 3:36 and LE arrived around 5:30. You can check the dispatch log (which, I am told by LE here in my own locale, is a record of when the phone request came in).

    Police-initiated actions do not go through the dispatch but public calls do. Public calls go to dispatch and are logged. SBC Sheriff publishes that log. It's automatically updated, apparently in SB (not the case where I live, not by a long shot).

    To find the logs, go to the Colorado River division of the SBC Sheriff's call log system. FU means "Follow up." Some people (I think Pommy Mommy for sure) are checking those logs and occasionally posting when some FU occurs near Kelbaker and HH Road. I checked back over several months - Barbara Thomas is the only MP call that I see.
     
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