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CA CA - Barbara Thomas, 69, from Bullhead City AZ, disappeared in Mojave desert, 12 July 2019 #8

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  1. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    Thinking back to the Kelsey Berreth case, and the Kenzie Lueck case as well, there was a lot of focus on cell phone pings determining where various people had been.

    It's curious to me that it's not been mentioned here. Of course RT is not a POI so there's no reason to make that information public. But I presume/hope the data has been gathered just the same, for whatever clues it can provide.

    And depending on just how empty that road is, haven't we been told in other cases that LE can request all phone numbers that pinged off the nearest tower during X time period? Any abduction theory or for that matter a good samaritan theory of someone giving her a ride would incline towards that being useful data.

    I trust that LE is doing their job, but so many of the reasonable theories would have resulted in her having been found already, that it's hard not to let the mind go to other scenarios.

    IMO MOO
     
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  2. Kapua

    Kapua Well-Known Member

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    Most perps make at least a minimal attempt to conceal. IMHO.
     
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  3. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    I suspect that he was advised by his lawyer not to:
    1. do further interviews;
    2. go to the site; and
    3. have a social media presence.
    I also suspect that this advice is why the said lawyer is no longer representing him. Though to be fair, I would issue the same advice.
     
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  4. LietKynes

    LietKynes Inama Nushif ; She is Eternal

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    Good points.^^^

    As far as Erin's case... the perp knew it was better to conceal her by throwing her down a deep mine shaft.
    Thus eliminating discovery by buzzards, coyotes, or other hikers.
    Pretty sure Erin's killer is not the only one to know this.

    As far as RT's lawyer frantically trying to bring Barbara back home... I'd like to see some evidence of this.
    Who knows ? Maybe he's out there 24/7 handing out flyers and doing some searching himself ?
    I'd have to say RT's 2nd lawyer, as the previous one is no longer representing RT.
    Assuming he has retained a new lawyer.
     
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  5. Nikynoo

    Nikynoo Verified Attorney - United Kingdom

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    I suspect LE would like to see this too!
     
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  6. Lilibet

    Lilibet Watching and Waiting

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    There’s always the initial flurry of activity, but MSM decides what stories it covers and assigns reporters. So no matter how persistent family is, coverage may not continue unless something new happens or it’s a slow news day. That being said, I have the same question about what RT is doing. But I have known cases in which families did nothing and they weren’t guilty of anything except press phobia (not RT’s problem).
    JMO
     
  7. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    So...since the post giving a time for the photo has been deleted (I sure can't find it), we're back to a larger set of theories.

    Between the sighting at the convenience store and the 911 call, there are 6.5 hours.

    My assumption is that LE has pictures showing they were, at least, in the desert. The pictures probably show the Granite Hills and include the 360 photo which shows a parking lot (and would be conclusive as to where someone was standing when the photo was taken). We just don't know when it was taken.

    No need to hide a body if the death was by natural causes.
     
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  8. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    Ah, the Erin Corwin case.

    Yes, I think it would absolutely be easier to walk someone out to a deserted mine location like Erin's killer did.

    I wonder if the SBSCO has consulted with Doug Billings, the expert who helped them locate Erin's remains out in that desert.
    Untapped gold mine was site of Erin Corwin body
    SABBM:

    The cave team was assisted by Doug Billings, a cave and mine specialist, who cataloged mines to assist in the search for Erin. Billings said Monday that detectives showed him an area where they believed Erin may be found, then he drafted a map of the mines in the region, highlighting the mines that were most likely places to try to hide a body.

    "There was so much evidence pointing in so many directions, I decided I was going to catalog every mine within a reasonable area," Billings said.

    More than 100 mines were explored as part of the search for Erin, but many of these mines were searched before detectives showed the cave team where to prioritize. The sheriff's department used some form of electronic tracking — likely pings from a cell phone — to zero in on the area
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    Without Doug Billings' help, there's no telling whether or not the SBSCO would have found EC, but it's abundantly clear to those of us who followed that case closely that the SBSCO was tenacious and committed in their search for EC.

    @dbdb11 , do we know what led LE to the gas station to speak to the employee and obtain the video surveillance of RT there that morning? Did RT tell LE they stopped there on their way? Had he mentioned it to Barb's family and her family passed the info on to LE?

    If not, it could have been cell pings that directed LE there.

    I'm convinced the SBSCO knows a whole lot more about BT's disappearance than they're sharing.

    JMO.
     
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  9. Stripehaven

    Stripehaven Well-Known Member

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    I’m not MassGuy but I think there was time to establish their presence st Kelbaker via photos (no need even to alter the time stamp), hop back in the truck to continue on to their planned camping spot, spontaneously stop a couple of miles farther along the way for a walk/photo opp, then be back at Kelbaker by 3:00 or so.
     
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  10. Midwestmom2019

    Midwestmom2019 Well-Known Member

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    They hire the best bc they pay WAY more than local LE. If it’s big, the more they will pour into the investigation. If he hasn’t applied for it yet, the investigators will have a harder time after 5 years.
    Unless the agent snaps to it and reports the death.
     
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    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    Life Ins Policy (hypo only) Payment to Beneficiary? When, How?

    @Midwestmom2019 :) Thanks for your post. On last sentence of post, not sure if I am following correctly or if am misinterpreting/misunderstanding. OP or anyone, pls help?
    Q: Is post saying - if life ins agent who initially sold/wrote policy on BT's life [a hypothetical policy only, we don't know if one or exists], does not report to life ins co. unusual/suspicious circumstances of BT's disappearance, that life ins co would ---

    - have no reason to know of those circumstances,
    - so would not investigate BT's disappearance/death 5 yrs from now,
    - so would promptly pay death benefits to beneficiary (5 yrs from now)?
    Thx in adv.
     
  12. PaulaDC

    PaulaDC Well-Known Member

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    If you do it on the spot, no need to move it.
     
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    Kittybunny Well-Known Member

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    Oooh great idea. 911 Calls are always so telling.
     
  14. LietKynes

    LietKynes Inama Nushif ; She is Eternal

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    Agreed.
    I would like to hear this.
    Mainly for voice inflection, but also what exactly was said.
    LE have released other calls, why not this one ??
     
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  15. GordianKnot

    GordianKnot Well-Known Member

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    Only LEOs can obtain search warrants, though.

    Insurance investigators working for private companies or businesses cannot do that.

    I think the ability to obtain and execute search warrants is critically important here in BT's case.

    If there IS any type of insurance angle to this case, a good insurance investigator
    would likely be able to help LE uncover it.

    JMO.
     
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  16. cazador

    cazador Well-Known Member

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    "They thought I was Being deceptive" RT

    My own initial thought when I first watched him speak to reporters about the lie detector.

    "Divorce"

    That One word that causes change in Everything...

    But every picture I have seen shows a loving and happy couple in retirement enjoying life..
    Except for her son who makes a direct accusation. But that IS his mom.
    dbdb11 just wants the truth.
    One more family member made a comment early on that Barbara is her children's Grandmother.
    No other family members speak a word For or Against.

    So I stick to my thought that she had a heat stroke and dropped and needs to be found.
     
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    Ninety5rpm Active Member

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    Unless it was overcast (unlikely in the desert in July), any photo allegedly taken at a certain date/time can be verified by finding the exact location (from RT's info, background scenery, particular plant characteristics, etc.) and comparing shadows in the photo to what they should have been on that date/time at that location.
     
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    K9Enzo Well-Known Member

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    Request it under FOIA.
     
  19. Twistinginthewind

    Twistinginthewind Well-Known Member

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    If BT fell down a steep slope miles distant from where they were walking when RT said she disappeared, and perished from the fall and/or heat, would her death be considered 'natural causes'?

    If there was no proof that anyone was with her or caused her to fall or left her alone and incapacitated or dead on purpose?

    Just wondering in terms of 'COD-speak' if her body is found at the bottom of a ravine, mine, canyon rim, rockslide, rock formation, etc., and no evidence can be found as to why or how she fell, if 'natural causes' would be on the coroners' certificate, or something else like "mechanical failure" (medical term meaning someone tripped or fell) or "unknown", and how these different CODs may affect payout on any life insurance policy in BT's name?
    MOO
     
  20. Ninety5rpm

    Ninety5rpm Active Member

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    Given the area and the alleged place where she was, had she had a heat stroke and dropped, RT would have found her, let alone the search parties.
     
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