CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013 - #2

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  1. OCSlacker

    OCSlacker New Member

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    If you do a Google search for his name & Los Angeles you will see a link for sorarchives.com that's the one with his mugshot
     


  2. DR006

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    I kind of hate going on her tumblr. I am no stranger to depression and I can relate to so much of what she says about it. It sounds like she really was looking forward to a new start in CA and she never had the chance. She mentioned a few times that uni wasn't the place for her. Sometimes people just aren't meant for conventional academia, but she was very smart and could have gone far. I live near Santa Cruz and it's a really lovely place. I wish she could have made it there.
     
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    "Drive" is the name of the movie. I watched the movie, but can't think of any relevance to 'pilgrimage' other than old hotel. Girl's husband was being released from jail. Soundtrack "A Real Hero"

    Watch on YouTube = http://youtu.be/9Ldo1rQGD9E

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ldo1rQGD9E"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ldo1rQGD9E[/ame]
     
  4. SplishSplash

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    A VERY common side effect of Effexor (and most SSRI's) and Wellbutrin (which technically is NOT an SSRI) is insomnia. I would have to agree with you. :waitasec:
     
  5. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    See wolf dreamer's video report!!
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198048"]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198048[/ame]
     
  6. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Sorry if this post is landing at random, but just wanting to repost some MSM info from Thread 1 to clarify some things that are getting fuzzy:

    Re the cell phone:
    From:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/elisa-lam-canadian-tourist-missing-los-angeles

    From Tarabull’s post in Thread 1:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8820789&postcount=25"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013[/ame]

    Re who contacted LAPD about Elisa's disappearance:

    From my post in Thread 1:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8911695&postcount=1025"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013[/ame]

    HTH
     
  7. Sillybilly

    Sillybilly Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    I know about the movie, but thought it was not clear what she was referring to by a simple reference on a small postcard.

    A pilgrimage is a walk, and IMO could possibly meaning a shopping spree in girlfriend speak.
     
  8. InciteRevolution

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    No offense, but this is a laughably embellished depiction of the "sketchiness" of DTLA. I lived in LA for 8 years (including DTLA in the 501 W Olympic building by FIDM for over 1.5 years), and it's not nearly as harrowing as many of you are making it out to be -- ESPECIALLY the area around the Standard. Yes, Main Street has its fair share of bums, but it's not some kind of proverbial death trap.
     
  9. Turk February

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    Re who contacted LAPD about Elisa's disappearance:

    From my post in Thread 1:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8911695&postcount=1025"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CA/Canada - Elisa Lam - 21 years old - Los Angeles/Vancouver - 31-Jan-2013[/ame]



    HTH[/QUOTE]


    Wait wait, I could of swore that it was reported the Desk Clerk called the LAPD as well when Elisa Lam didn't check back to sign out and leave the hotel on February 1st.

    Unless you mean it was Elisa's family that first contacted the RCMP/LAPD first, and then the Desk Clerk after.

    It would be strange if the Desk Clerk didn't call the authorities if a guest did not report back to the lobby before they were scheduled to leave, to take their luggage out of the hotel room and then check out of the hotel.
     
  10. Turk February

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    On one of her tweets/instagram photos, I recall her mentioning experiencing insomnia.

    https://twitter.com/lambetes


    Find the tweets on dates -

    Jun 22
    bloody insomnia again
    (also, please pay attention to who Elisa re-tweeted under that tweet...)



    Also, two more insomnia tweets before that -

    May 4
    Still awake...#insomnia

    May 3
    insomnia strikes again
     
  11. Ruth&Montgomery

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    Wow, finally caught up reading again. You guys post faster than I can read.. if I take off half the day to get stuff done, I have to spend hours catching up! :p

    For the person who was looking for the review stating someone was watching a girl shower through the vents, it is here 8th review down, posted 10/23/2011 by M*** (I edited the name just in case we aren't allowed to post usernames from Yelp.. still learning about the posting policies of this site..):

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/stay-on-main-los-angeles

    "SOMEONE WAS WATCHING ME SHOWER from the attached bathroom through the vent. YES, I saw someone watching me shave my damn legs through the vent. The doors are set up so that you can't just bust the door open...the person in the bathroom has their own lock on their door. I don't know if it was an employee or a guest, but it's SO ridiculous. They comped one night of my two night stay. Thanks a lot, *******s. I hope there isn't a video of me somewhere on the internet in some foreign country of me shaving my legs in Los Angeles."
     
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    It is also worth noting here that certain SSRI's (most) can cause a lack of appetite that causes (or arguably directly causes) a Vitamin B2 deficiency. Vitamin B2 deficiency causes lack of feeling in your limbs (having your feet up to a fire and ending up with third degree burns without noticing), dizziness, vision problems, and even MORE insomnia. (Just thinking outloud here)
     
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    The latest from Chinese media outlets:

    2月23日,洛杉矶警方在约谈了部分员工后,锁定了一名塞西尔酒店职员为重大嫌疑人。此人握有蓝可儿房间的钥匙,理论上可随时进入房间作案。另外,媒体披露称塞西尔酒店曾于2月14日做过水质检查,结果为一切正常。因此凶手有可能了解酒店的管理模式及水质检查的时间表,故意藏匿尸体两周,待检查结束后再将尸体扔入水箱。

    On February 23, the Los Angeles police interviewed some employees locked a Cecil hotel staff as a major suspect. This person holds blue children room key, in theory, may at any time enter the room to committing the crime. In addition, media reports said the Cecil Hotel water quality checks done on February 14, the result is all normal. Therefore murderer might understand the hotel management mode and water quality inspection schedule, deliberately hiding the bodies of two weeks, to be checked after the end of the bodies thrown into the water tank.

    Source: http://news.qq.com/a/20130224/000562.htm
     
  14. Ruth&Montgomery

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    A comment about her eyesight: I'm 3/4 of the way to legally blind, and without my glasses, I would have clearly been able to see which button was my floor number, and which one was the door hold button, at the distance her face was from the buttons. I also have a friend who is about 7/8 of the way to legally blind, and I'm sure she would be able to make out the buttons if her head was 6" to a foot away as well.

    Also, if I was being followed, and I was blind as a bat, I would make damn sure I put my head 1 inch away from the buttons to ensure I pressed the right floor number and make triple sure I did not press 'door hold.' I don't think she pushed all the buttons due to poor vision.
     
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    The game Left 4 Dead is mentioned on her Tumblr. I don't know anything about it, but by searching on Google I learned a bit more. It is very violent and apparently it is set in an apartment and you can climb on the fire escapes, use elevators, access the rooftop, etc.

    This leaves open the possibility that she was having some sort of break from reality or vivid dream and thought that she was playing the game, especially if she played it frequently in real life. One part of the description under the "No Mercy Campaign The Apartments" of this page is especially spooky to me, especially if you watch the YouTube video and how similar the layout of the rooftop is to the one in the game (of course this could be said for thousands of city rooftops I'm sure):

    http://www.mahalo.com/left-4-dead-walkthrough/

    "1.You start off on the rooftop of an apartment building. Grab either the pump-action shotgun or the submachine gun and a health pack in front of you. It's really personal preference on which one to take, either weapon will serve you well.

    2.Head through the door on the center of the roof and down the stairs.

    3.Note: You can also jump down the skylight directly behind the weapons cabinet into the apartment, but doing so leads to a greater risk of being surrounded by zombies as soon as you land."

    Here is the YouTube video of gameplay on the apartment roof (warning, graphic video game violence):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SQVuiRWEiRc#!

    Is it possible that she thought the opening on top of the water tank was a skylight behind the weapons cabinet on the rooftop? Could she have removed the cover and jumped in, thinking that was a shortcut into this fantasy apartment in the game she was "playing" in her mind?

    It could also be that she was "playing" this game on the elevator and thought there were zombies or teammates nearby her, hence her strange behaviors on the elevator.

    If she was found with her clothes on and the cover on the tank was already removed, I would think this "video game fantasy" could be a slight possibility.

    If she was found without her clothes on and/or the cover on the tank was in place, I would think the possibility of foul play and being placed in the tank by someone else is much more likely. LE obviously knows more about the condition of her body and the location of the tank cover than they are releasing to the public, so we are only left to speculate about those details.
     
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    I feel the hotel staff is incredibly suspect. Are they being held? Questioned? Do we even know? I am disgusted at the lack of coverage this is getting even on alternative news sites other than WS.
     
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    If you want to run with the theory of Ambien/Sonata/Scopalomine for a moment, yes this is totally reasonable. My problem with the Ambien/Sonota (both hypnotic sleep aids) is that she would be SO disoriented she would not appear nearly as composed as she does in the video.

    Scopalomine is a different animal alltogether. A little googling will explain why. That drug is truly the most terrifying thing since GHB.
     
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    What if she was really short sighted? I'm sure eye conditions vary differently among many people.
     
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    Does anyone know if, based on knowledge of previous cases, the LE could potentially withhold the results of the second autopsy, which were supposed to be determined in 4-6 weeks? ie. If they choose to not make it public, we may never know those results? I'm kind of anxiously waiting for more info like that to be released.

    The LE withholding of info reminds me of another case that happened close to where I live now.. the Wendy Ladner Beaudry case, of which I don't think a thread on Websleuths has been made. But the case is similarly very strange and perplexing, raising many more questions than answers, and the LE has been extremely tight-lipped for 3+ years since it happened.
     
  20. Turk February

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    An interesting scenario, but not likely.

    CBSLA - the news outlet based in Los Angeles first broke the news live via aerial coverage on the rooftops, reporting a maintenance worker discovering Elisa Lam's body in the water tank (they didn't identify her body as Elisa in the beginning, just said a woman's body) and said that the body inside was nude, and floating face up in the 3/4 full water tank.

    And besides that, you're missing one crucial point:

    How did Elisa Lam get up the rooftops if the door is locked and secure with an alarm system?



    I would like to ask this person as well, figuring out how they managed to get up the rooftops on Feb.14th 2012 -

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K-UQP2fPyc"]Cecil Hotel - YouTube[/ame]


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