CA - Cathedral City, HispMale 463UMCA, 25-40, In Riverwash Wrapped in Bedding, Oct'02

Discussion in 'The Unidentified' started by Cymro, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    I think this is a possible rather than a real strong match so maybe I'm going out on a limb here with my first post - please tear me apart if you feel the need.

    Timmy Gene Thompson and this John Doe

    Plus points:

    1. Some facial similarity;

    2. Age - Doe is 20-40 and appears at the higher end of that range from the sketch, Thomspon is 37;

    3. Height - exact match;

    4. Weight - At 200lbs, Doe is 10 lbs heavier than the upper range for Thompson and "stockily built" as Thompson appears to be. It is not clear whether this weight is estimated or measured;

    5. Location - The Doe was found off the route that Thompson would have traveled. He is believed to have camped 3 miles east of where his vehicle was found (he was heading east on a camping trip). Doe was found along the route between Thompson's home and the campsite.

    A represents Thompson's residence; B the approximate location where his car was found; and C the location where the John Doe was found.

    6. Time frame - John Doe was found approximately two months after Thompson's disappearance; this could of course be a negative depending on state of decompostion although clothes were found with the body.

    Negatives:

    1. Tattoo - Thompson had a bear tattoo on his back. Doe has "no tattoos noted to his body," which is nearly but not quite the same as saying that he has no tattoos, but does suggest that he had none.

    2. Race - Doe is "believed to be Hispanic." Thompson is a tanned Caucasian with dark hair and eyes and IMO relatively high cheekbones.

    3. Time frame - a specific weight is given for Doe, which suggests that his may have been a recent death, whereas if the Doe is Thompson it is more likely that he would have died within a short time after his disappearance.

    4. Clothing - Doe was found in a blue and white shirt; Thompson left wearing a brown shirt. However it is believed that Thompson set up a camp after leaving his disabled vehicle and being on a camping trip would have had a change of clothing, so it is not a stretch to imagine him having had the chance to change his clothes before his demise.

    So what do you all think?
     
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  3. Kiki

    Kiki New Member

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    I think go for it. BTW - Well done! :clap: They look like twins. If John Doe isn't Timmy at least the investigators will be able to rule out that possible match.
     
  4. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    I am real reluctant to call it in because I am based in the United Kingdom and I'm not sure how well I'd be received by local LE - plus I've never done anything like this before.

    I just wish we had the state of decomposition of the John Doe so that we could get closer to ruling a match in or out.
     
  5. Beyond Belief

    Beyond Belief New Member

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    what about the tattoo? Doe has none.
     
  6. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    Well actually it says "none noted." I think the likelihood is that this means that there was none (and therefore no match) but if the body were partially decomposed so that the skin didn't reveal any tattoo, or fully and the estimate of the man's weight were based on his bones and the clothing found with him (and not on a fresh corpse) then that wouldn't preclude a match.
     
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    barb0301 New Member

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    Hi Cymro, and welcome to WS !! Good work on this !! I think this is a possible here, and would certainly encourage someone to turn it in. If noone else wants to, I'll make the call next week. Since no date of death is noted, only the date found, I'm not certain of the state of the remains, so like you, am uncertain if a tattoo would be found or not. Everything else is certainly a good match though !! :clap::clap::clap:
     
  8. HesterMofet

    HesterMofet New Member

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    I was disappointed to find on the sheriff's department site that they don't have dentals for Timmy Thompson because they have full dentals on Doe. I wonder if they have fingerprints and if they've checked those?

    I think if it is Timmy, it will all hinge on whether or not Doe was too decomposed to see if there were tats on him.

    I am also wondering something about Timmy. It says he wasn't depressed, but it also said he had just quit his job a few days before taking off. Unless he was looking forward to a new opportunity, I can't see why it would be mentioned unless maybe there was something to it -- like he had been in a conflict at work and maybe they suspect foul play?
     
  9. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    Okay, after two years, this is completely shameless bumping and a lucky find I had way back when.

    As this is a San Bernadino County misper, is this a case for David Van Norman? Would anyone be so kind as to raise it with him?
     
  10. Donjeta

    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    The link to the UID is gone but I expect this is him:

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/463umca.html
    http://www.riversidesheriff.org/coroner/unidentified/2002-06279.asp
    https://identifyus.org/cases/6979

    Strangely, the stats given on the three sites are all different.

    Doe Network:
    # Estimated age: 25 - 40 years old
    # Approximate Height and Weight: 5'9"; 200 lbs.

    The Sheriff :
    Estimated Age: 40-50 Years of age
    Height / Weight: Approx. 5'5" and 138 lbs.

    Namus:

    Minimum age 40 years
    Maximum age 50 years
    Weight (pounds) 138, Estimated
    Height (inches) 55, Measured

    That's about 4ft7.
     
  11. Cubby

    Cubby fly the W!

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    Was this ever submitted?

    Anyone wish to submit and see if Timmy has been ruled out as this UID?

    tia
     
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    webrocket New Member

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    I looked at the Namus page for the UID and the estimated interval of death to discovery was one day. there is no way the UID's skin would degenerate in one day as to eliminate a bear tattoo on his back.

    based on that I do not see how this UID could be Timmy Thompson.
     
  13. Cymro

    Cymro New Member

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    All in all, and after some PM discussion with CarlK92405 I now think this is unlikely to be a match. I never submitted it.

    While one day's decomp could never hide a tattoo like Timmy's, it wouldn't account for the discrepancies in height, weight, etc., reported by the various LE agencies either, so if someone else wants to run with it, I'd not quite rule it out.

    Carl's points were

    My responses:
    However if the postmortem interval is confirmed as one day with the Doe, it's a clear no-match.
     

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