CA - Christopher Dorner kills 4 in tri-county rampage, Feb 2013 - #3

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He was given ample chance to come out of the cabin, when he was surrounded, when he was ordered numerous times to come out, when the tear gas canisters went in, before, and during the time the pyro cansiters went in. He also had ample time to give up after they were deployed. He did not. He made his choice. This is on no one but him. He made these choices, he decided to put a bullet in his head instead of surrendering. He decided to kill two innocent people in cold blood, because one was the daughter of a cop. He decided to kill two other cops because he could. Neither were LAPD cops, just cops, any cop that stood between him and killing whoever he wanted to.

He and he alone made those decisions, no one else. Since he knew police procedure and tactics, he knew this was the only way it was going to end IF he did not surrender. This is on no one but him. IMO, JMO, MOO
 
unbending, do you know that regular tear gas can kill you and can cause fires? It can.

It's so easy to blame everything that occurred on LE from 100 miles away. Do you think you'd be able to withstand a firefight with a trained marksman in these situations? The man had laid out clear plans for WAR against law enforcement. WAR. I'm sorry but LE had the right to eliminate the threat of someone stalking them with a sniper rifle and more. It's so simple to say that LE reacted in a manner you don't approve of. So, what is your suggestion? Hole up there and wait for this madman to take out more LE, LE family and wait it out? He'd killed a LEO just a couple of hours before. I think if they didn't mitigate the situation there would be a lot more deaths and injuries. This man was unrelenting in his attacks. He nearly killed a reporter from CBS-- the Carter dude.
 
the protest was AGAINST police Corruption NOT a "pro" Dorner Rally,how funny u think that way,,now it got my first giggle from you guys.thanks
 
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Perhaps Dorner was a follower of this guy....but I'm not
 
War with about 100 bullets, in the cabin? HHMm BIG WAR. LE could have let him pop-off what ever rounds he had and WAIT. But i guess "Dead men tell no tales"
 
@ Scorekeeper ,PROVE HE DID!!! Go ahead,prove he started the fire.if you can i'll front the reward $$ myself

I can't prove he did or didn't; but he could have.

He could have also surrendered at anytime....but he didn't....his decision
 
david icke ,david DIke, i don't care it's the only audio i still got .i went to copy other audio clips of "burn that MotherF**** down ' and it looks like youtube "pulled" them ,so it's what i could fin din under 10 minutes. The audio IS that of LE ,Judge the Site where it came from it's still their words, every last one of them.
 
@ bookkeeper . NOPE a big NOPE!!!! Could have NOT BURNED him down, and could have created a barrier and did what happened @ "Wounded knee".Yep real easy like. Dorner didn't kill the couple ,,did he? He said he didn't want to hurt them ,just wanted to jack the car.
 
the more I think about the house to house search the more I don't know what to think about it

at the condo in question, they missed seeing a window screen w/ pry marks lying on the snow beneath the window where it belonged

what exactly was the objective if they can't enter residences where no one answers the door? did they think he would answer a knock/a doorbell? people who live in the same condo complex and live on the same block were interviewed and said no one knocked on the doors where people were home during the search

this is somewhat different but somewhat the same: I lived in an apartment bldg in SoCal w/ 12 units on each floor accessed by interior hallways. there was an explosion/fireball on the ground floor when a maintainence guy lit a cigarette while re-glazing a bathtub. the main floor was considered a loss but the two upper floors were OK. any damage on the upper floors resulted from the FD kicking in every door where someone didn't answer the door. there was no way to keep the doors closed after they were kicked so pets were running wild thru the bldg and residents had a heck of a time rounding up their frightened animals. before they roped off the bldg we were allowed in for 10 minutes w/ FD escorts to gather meds, documents, a suitcase

not saying that every unanswered door in BB should've been kicked but there should be some protocol in place to gain entry. otherewise, why not just stand in the street w/ a bullhorn and ask the suspect to show himself and then consider that bldg/residence clear if he doesn't respond? you'd get the same result as what the door to door "search" uncovered
 
The police can't go breaking down doors or even picking locks and entering every single locked resident in Big Bear without some sort of justification as to why they believe their suspect may be hiding in that structure. I can only imagine the outrage and the lawsuits if they had indeed done what you and some others on here expected them to do. With that being stated, if they had suspected he was in there they would have entered. Come to find out NO ONE in that area, including neighbors, other house cleaners, media right next to the building, etc. knew he was in that particular structure either.

He could have easily have carried all of his weapons, ammo, etc. himself. Perhaps he had some gun cases? We don't know because that information hasn't been released yet (as far as I have seen.) We are talking about approximately 2am in the morning in an area of town that is very quiet once the lifts shut down. I have been in that area before at 5am, 6am, 7am and never see a sole. Plus I suspect he was moving in a stealth manner instead of barreling down the middle of the street

Dormer knew that LE would have to get search warrants to search any empty cabins, houses or condos at BB, unless they showed evidence of forced entry. His choice of BB gave him many good opportunities to find a place to hide where it might not be practical for LE to search for him. He was smart and lucky enough to find a condo that was unlocked, where he knew they probably wouldn't enter for lack of a SW.

Before his truck was disabled, it appeared he carried enough equipment with him (items left behind included a cot and bedding, etc.) that he planned to hide out in one of the many vacant summer camps located south of BB. When his truck became disabled, he probably carried what he could (including large arms and ammo, since reports found his tracks with indications he was dragging something heavy with him) to the closest possible "safe" location - the nearby condo. Since he carried a lot of gear with him, it probably included MRE's - enough food to take care of his needs for at least a few days, if not more. There was evidence of him visiting other vacant cabins, probably for food and other items. I doubt he went into town to acquire provisions.

He lucked out in finding a condo where he had access to water, toilet, bathing and cooking facilities and probably a television and radio and an unobstructed view of the command center. He was probably able to view a lot of details about the search.

He made a break when he was discovered and, when he couldn't get out on a major highway, holed up in the best place he could find. At this point, he knew he probably wasn't going to get out alive and took out as many LE as possible before committing suicide.

He saw himself as a martyr. He sent his messages, wrote his manifesto and made his case to the public, grandiose as it was. He used his skills and the element of surprise, but he also caught some lucky breaks. He had to know how it would all end. After everything that had happened so far, it ended the only way it could have. He would not have surrendered. He knew that, because of his choices and decision not to surrender, he was a "dead man walking" and LE had few options left.

As someone who spent quite a few days monitoring the scanner and following his moves in BB, right up to the end, this is my best assessment of the situation. I'll say monitoring the scanner 12 to 14 hours a day the last few days was an emotionally exhausting task and I was somewhat traumatized by all of it. In the end, given his decisions, there was no way it could have ended differently. He went on his own terms.
 
I have two LE officers in my family. They are married to one another. They have two little girls. One is 8 years old, one is 5 years old. They work in the greater San Diego area for CHP.

When Dorner was separated from the Navy, he was down there on Point Loma Naval base in San Diego. Had he been driving the I-5, I-805 or I-8 freeways and my family had been on duty that night, and he did so much as make an illegal lane change and one of them had pulled him over, they would have been killed. Murdered. Two little girls would have not had a parent, my sister would not have a daughter.

These are two wonderful people. People that love their country, their home, their family and their jobs. They are not crooked. They spent a lot of time going to the police academy, learning, and going through the physical paces they had to to become uniformed officers. They are funny and loving people.

They could have been killed for no other reason that a madman they didn't even know had a beef against anyone in a uniform like them. They risk their lives every day to make our highways safe for all of us.

My niece had a perp whose feet got loose in her car one time on the freeway going 70 mph, kicking her while he was handcuffed, trying to crash her in rush out traffic. He broke her ribs, dislocated her jaw and she was covered with bruises.

Another time she was in a police chase, lead vehicle. The perps had robbed a bank and were shooting at her, throwing tools and tools boxes out of the window to try to crash her and kill her.

Those are just two incidences in which she could have lost her life. She once told me that they have to treat each stop as if the driver just murdered their family and don't want to be taken alive, or are on their third strike and are going back to prison for good and are desperate. To do anything less can cost them their lives.

They both do this every day. Every single day. Why?? To provide a home for their children. It's their job. And they sure as hell don't deserve to be killed just because they wear a uniform. JMO, IMO, MOO
 
the more I think about the house to house search the more I don't know what to think about it

at the condo in question, they missed seeing a window screen w/ pry marks lying on the snow beneath the window where it belonged

what exactly was the objective if they can't enter residences where no one answers the door? did they think he would answer a knock/a doorbell? people who live in the same condo complex and live on the same block were interviewed and said no one knocked on the doors where people were home during the search

this is somewhat different but somewhat the same: I lived in an apartment bldg in SoCal w/ 12 units on each floor accessed by interior hallways. there was an explosion/fireball on the ground floor when a maintainence guy lit a cigarette while re-glazing a bathtub. the main floor was considered a loss but the two upper floors were OK. any damage on the upper floors resulted from the FD kicking in every door where someone didn't answer the door. there was no way to keep the doors closed after they were kicked so pets were running wild thru the bldg and residents had a heck of a time rounding up their frightened animals. before they roped off the bldg we were allowed in for 10 minutes w/ FD escorts to gather meds, documents, a suitcase

not saying that every unanswered door in BB should've been kicked but there should be some protocol in place to gain entry. otherewise, why not just stand in the street w/ a bullhorn and ask the suspect to show himself and then consider that bldg/residence clear if he doesn't respond? you'd get the same result as what the door to door "search" uncovered

I do have to say the method they used cost them one of their own. Had they used some other means to find Dorner earlier, then Officer MacKay would be alive today. It cost SBCPD big time.
 
here's the La times article ,one Quote says " Devastating" here's the dictionary Deffinition if you aren't clear in the word: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devastate This article also backs up the "Hail of gunfire" that i said he COULD have died from ,too i post this ,because you said it didn't happened that way ,your wrong! the quote is :"In a fury of Bullets" .i'm backed up twice in the points from my earlier post, in this ONE article from the LA Times. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...wners-daughter-calls-events-overwhelming.html

Can you please link me to a source in which the family members state they are angry at LE or blame them for the devastation to their cabin? I think you in advance.

As I stated in my earlier post (and I will rephrase it here), it would have been impossible for him to die in the "hail of gunfire" as there was a single shot heard from inside the cabin after the hail of gunfire. Since he was the only one in the cabin (read: the only one who could have shot a gun from inside the cabin) it is necessary to conclude that he was still alive at the time the single gun shot occurred.

The actual quote is "...in a fury of bullets and fire" in reference to the entire event. We have all heard the audio of the gun battle and saw the footage of the fire however it (obviously) wasn't the gun battle that killed him, it was the last single shot that was heard coming from inside the cabin.
 
@ Seajay although i am in agreement of 90% of what you said ,You didn't post all of what was said by LE , (LE) meant "him" or " him in the Cabin" ,Could be a long debate,but to cut to the chase THEY STARTED THE FIRE 100%. http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/...e-burning-dorner-alive-to-silence-him-forever

So they put the tape together in the order they wanted it.....it is not in the correct order as how things went down.....propaganda to feed into the conspiracy theory.....they sliced and diced the tape
 
I do have to say the method they used cost them one of their own. Had they used some other means to find Dorner earlier, then Officer MacKay would be alive today. It cost SBCPD big time.

That is a very unfair thing to say. What makes you think Dorner would have gone quietly if police found him earlier?
 
Well it makes sense to me . it's the only time that has ever happened. of for the 2 hours or so ,during the "burn down the Cabin" ,My twitter was compromised.So the LE turning" off" tweets was a reality.

I was within 100 miles of Big Bear and my internet, Twitter and Facebook were all working properly at that time. Perhaps LE trusted that wouldn't give away sensitive information? :waitasec:
 
i saw on the internet a very poignant statement , it went something like this : If the Laws in this country don't work for the worst of us,Then they will not work for the best of us,either." . i'm here not as a Dorner Fan,as said before. But i'm here to back up the LAW in America. our ,very special country has these for great reasons, our fellow Americans before us fought long and hard for,once lost or eroded,it not longer becomes the Nation worth defending with one's life,as it stands. If you have ever lived in other countries ,"overseas" ,You find out that ,they got about half the LAWS that "serve and protect" you from a lynching by any group, be them a wound-up bunch of cops or just insane people . mistakes (LE) did , shed a poor light on the many with upright intentions;"to serve and protect", Protecting and Defending the US Constitution. in the case of Christopher Dorner, the bad judgements, & decisions that LE made & without CORRECTING those ,the landscape of current status quo will continue ,without proper oversight and penalties. "checks and balances" the LE agencies will degrade further,lose the public's TRUST and without doubt continue to loss faith within the communities that pay their salaries. the public without question deserves way more transparency ,the cops that shot @ the 71-year old woman ,hitting her in the back ,in Torrance,Should under a "Re-training" and if it is deemed they couldn't perform ,then just retire them.
 
@ Voice ,i did take some time to think about your last post,Well I heard a gunshot.period. Location of gunshot ,unknown? Ok so you saw ,where this gunshot took place w/ your own eyes,so your a witness then? Or did you just hear the audio like everybody else did . I didn't 'see" the gunshot i just heard it . If i could "see"the actual location of the gunshot ,then i would,know where it came from.
 
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