CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

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Speaking of Jose Menendez, Bozanich said: “He didn’t threaten you? He didn’t have a weapon? He didn’t do anything out of the ordinary?”

“Well, yes,
he closed the doors,” Lyle Menendez said, meaning the doors to the TV room. That simple act convinced him death was “more than near,” he said.Jose Menendez “was not rising. He was standing. I just kept firing,” the son said.

Red emphasis mine.

Jose's closing the doors meant to Lyle that 'death was near'... ?
Seriously ?

It's not a threat and almost laughable to think that closing a door meant death to the brothers.
Gmab.

For anyone who has seen the crime scene photos , it sounds like Lyle lied about the dad's position when they started shooting:

Graphic warning :



Jose is seated upright on the sofa with his head disfigured on one side, and leaning over to his right.
If he was standing, he'd have severe wounds to the front of his face and maybe chest area ?

The photos after the bodies were removed show a large pooling of blood directly on the seat area of the sofa, so most of the bleeding happened right there.
Jose was not standing, imo, nor was he closing a door.

The most disrespectful part in the above link was said about Kitty, their own mother :


"...She was sort of sneaking around the side of the coffee table,” he said...."

It may be that she was wounded and crawling away in fear of her life, and after the initial shots hit her body, she may have been in total shock.
Omo.
 
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"Lyle and Erik Menendez's family pleads for brothers' immediate release so they have a chance to reunite with their aging relatives."

"....would like to see that process waived so the brothers can be released immediately – pointing to the fact that many of their surviving relatives are aging..."

There is no reason that the aging relatives cannot visit them in prison.
Based on this premise, should every inmate convicted of double murder be freed to visit their aging relatives ?
Omo.
 
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When asked if she was "troubled" by Erik murdering his parents, Tammi told NBC News in 2005 that she was, but that she didn't believe her husband was beyond redemption.
"I know his soul, and
I do know what happened that night," she said. "And I do understand. I believe that within everybody put in certain circumstances, you will, you know, be able to kill somebody. I mean, I do believe that Erik is a very good person."

Rbm.

Firstly, if the wives can (& they have) visited the brothers, so can the relatives.

First bolded : No, ma'am, you weren't there, and you do not know what happened that horrifying night.

Second bolded : Not true at all.
There are many people who've endured terribly abusive childhoods including my coworker's own dad, and haven't hurt anyone, ever.

Making excuses and victim blaming, all in the same sentiment.
Omo.
 
If Elizabeth Smart, Jaycee Dugard, Shawn Hornbeck, Colleen Stan etc. had used lethal force to end the nightmare, it would be viewed as a courageous act. Being born into it is worse. Then there's also Gary Plauche but I've been told I can't go into too much detail about that.
 
Media thread, for those who want to keep up to date, without reading through all of the conversation

 

A Los Angeles judge who will decide whether or not Erik and Lyle Menendez will be resentenced – and as a result, possibly released from prison on parole – has scheduled a Dec. 11 hearing for the brothers, who are serving life-without-parole terms for the 1989 shotgun murders of their parents inside the family’s Beverly Hills home.

LA Superior Court Judge Michael Jesic held an in-camera hearing Wednesday and set the date, which could bring the Menendez brothers back to the Van Nuys Courthouse where they were convicted and sentenced decades ago.
 
Please know I am not against anyone seeking true redemption !

I've read that both brothers admit they did this.

The Menendez brothers admit that they killed their parents. Instead, the focus of the case has long been on why they did it.

Haven't heard anything close to a true apology and remorse in regards to the horror they carried out that night.
That's bothersome, imo.

Regardless of how sorry anyone is, there are still consequences that should be upheld.
Murder still needs the penalty of locking away for good.
If people need therapy or medical treatment, there are programs in prison for that.
Again OMO.
 
Please know I am not against anyone seeking true redemption !

I've read that both brothers admit they did this.

The Menendez brothers admit that they killed their parents. Instead, the focus of the case has long been on why they did it.

Haven't heard anything close to a true apology and remorse in regards to the horror they carried out that night.
That's bothersome, imo.

Regardless of how sorry anyone is, there are still consequences that should be upheld.
Murder still needs the penalty of locking away for good.
If people need therapy or medical treatment, there are programs in prison for that.
Again OMO.
I agree. Murderers should get life WO. I include juvenile school shooters also. Society deserves maximum protection. MOO
 
Funny when you think about it.

A couple of 50ish, good looking, preppie, sporty 1980s rich-men (potential inheritance) will be released from prison in December 2024 even though they murdered their parents in cold blood. Fifteen bullets, the final one to the head of each of the victims ... after a reload. It reminds me of the Kray twins.

Two days later they asked about insurance policies, then they went on a spending spree for a Rolex watch and more. Some people today believe, in a woke fashion, that no one had heard of sexual abuse of children (males and females) until well after the 1990s ... perhaps not until 2024. That is simply not true, and there are no links to support that claim.

The 1980s were punk rock, multiple ear piercings and black leather boots, backpacking around Europe, the invention of the computer, and the beginning of DNA analysis.

People born in the 60s (children of hippies) who were adults in the 80s (tree-huggers) deserve a little more credit.

It's a shame that such cold blooded killers will be released. That's not to say that they will re-offend, but that they are a constant danger in terms of preemptively acting on what they imagine may happen. They have already admitted as much.

If true that they murdered their parents because they imagined that their parents were murderers, even though there is no evidence to support that claim, then they could imagine that someone else should be killed first.
 
Funny when you think about it.

A couple of 50ish, good looking, preppie, sporty 1980s rich-men (potential inheritance) will be released from prison in December 2024 even though they murdered their parents in cold blood. Fifteen bullets, the final one to the head of each of the victims ... after a reload. It reminds me of the Kray twins.

Two days later they asked about insurance policies, then they went on a spending spree for a Rolex watch and more. Some people today believe, in a woke fashion, that no one had heard of sexual abuse of children (males and females) until well after the 1990s ... perhaps not until 2024. That is simply not true, and there are no links to support that claim.

The 1980s were punk rock, multiple ear piercings and black leather boots, backpacking around Europe, the invention of the computer, and the beginning of DNA analysis.

People born in the 60s (children of hippies) who were adults in the 80s (tree-huggers) deserve a little more credit.

It's a shame that such cold blooded killers will be released. That's not to say that they will re-offend, but that they are a constant danger in terms of preemptively acting on what they imagine may happen. They have already admitted as much.

If true that they murdered their parents because they imagined that their parents were murderers, even though there is no evidence to support that claim, then they could imagine that someone else should be killed first.
MOO, IMO, in my opinion A shame!! Murderers should be separated from society forever.
 
Please know I am not against anyone seeking true redemption !
What does the perfect CSA victim look like?

Furthermore:
In this case, who had a history of violence - parents or the children?
In this case, who had a history of animal torture/abuse - parents or the children?
In this case, who had a pattern of coercive control - parents or the children?
 
I fear that the media and others will flock to this vile pair (& I don't say that lightly !) and make them into some kind of celebrities !
Books, speeches, appearances on talk shows.
Yes I am serious.

If there is still inheritance $$ waiting for them, as well as any monies they may garner while working the talk show circuit and hiring people to write books for them -- would they be willing to donate a portion of the proceeds to others who have been abused as children ?

Whether they choose to live together or apart, what will happen if a neighbor or someone makes them upset ?
People need to be on their guard and be very careful to not offend Erik or Lyle in any way.
What if deep inside of them --they still haven't changed and aren't repentant for what they did ?

If released by Gov. Newsom, they will be young enough ( Imo, early fifties is not that old, except to maybe younger people in their twenties? ), to still have a life.
Most likely won't have to get jobs, either; since even infamy is still 'fame'.

Too bad Jose and Kitty weren't afforded that option.
Omo.
 
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From everything ive read, theyve been model prisoners, even when they thought theyd never get out.

Take that for what you will

 
Funny when you think about it.

A couple of 50ish, good looking, preppie, sporty 1980s rich-men (potential inheritance) will be released from prison in December 2024 even though they murdered their parents in cold blood. Fifteen bullets, the final one to the head of each of the victims ... after a reload. It reminds me of the Kray twins.

Two days later they asked about insurance policies, then they went on a spending spree for a Rolex watch and more. Some people today believe, in a woke fashion, that no one had heard of sexual abuse of children (males and females) until well after the 1990s ... perhaps not until 2024. That is simply not true, and there are no links to support that claim.

The 1980s were punk rock, multiple ear piercings and black leather boots, backpacking around Europe, the invention of the computer, and the beginning of DNA analysis.

People born in the 60s (children of hippies) who were adults in the 80s (tree-huggers) deserve a little more credit.

It's a shame that such cold blooded killers will be released. That's not to say that they will re-offend, but that they are a constant danger in terms of preemptively acting on what they imagine may happen. They have already admitted as much.

If true that they murdered their parents because they imagined that their parents were murderers, even though there is no evidence to support that claim, then they could imagine that someone else should be killed first.
Not to be nit picky but add to the gruesome murder of their parents....shotguns were used and they don't shoot bullets. Maybe the boys were not good shots of maybe they wanted to do as much harm as possible I don't know.

Moo
 
MOO…..I personally wouldn’t be scared of them….because if they murdered for whichever of the reasons most believe…..one being CSA and the other being an Inheritance, it was targeted at the parents….I think that boring, non-abusive, $$ poor me wouldn’t be any kind of target. If I was their neighbor and had a dispute with them about say a fence or something, I don’t think they’d come over to my side to gun me down.

I don’t believe they were hard-wired to be murderers at birth. I WILL apologize later if they get out and set off on a Natural Born Killers path! Just my thoughts, maybe they are the creeps a lot of people think. Time will tell…

MOO
 
MOO…..I personally wouldn’t be scared of them….because if they murdered for whichever of the reasons most believe…..one being CSA and the other being an Inheritance, it was targeted at the parents….I think that boring, non-abusive, $$ poor me wouldn’t be any kind of target. If I was their neighbor and had a dispute with them about say a fence or something, I don’t think they’d come over to my side to gun me down.

I don’t believe they were hard-wired to be murderers at birth. I WILL apologize later if they get out and set off on a Natural Born Killers path! Just my thoughts, maybe they are the creeps a lot of people think. Time will tell…

MOO
I think the chance of them re-offending is relatively low.

I think the debate about whether double murderers should ever be released is understandable tho
 

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