GUILTY CA - David Wicks, 54, clerk burned alive at gas station, Burney, 21 Dec 2016

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  1. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    re bolded "Undisclosed" by who?

    By arrestee Venegas? Has he disclosed/revealed/proclaimed to LE a motive for his horrific crime (he could have). IDK.
    By Venegas' friend or fam? IDK.
    By LE? IDK.
    Lt. not elaborating as to " ...why he decided to do this this against Mr. Wicks..." suggests Venegas disclosed a motive to LE, but LE will not disclose/reveal his given motive to the gen pub. Lt stmt - motive is "interesting" suggest LE nailed it. If LE already nailed motive, then seems no need for more investigation on that issue, so why did Lt say "We're still investigating all motives as to why this occurred." bbm

    Lt saying motive is "interesting" suggests LE knows. Enough hairsplitting on this for me for now, JM2cts.
     


  2. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    It could be from the home on the right, there is a chain link fence, telecaster lane is the addy of the suspect it's to the right.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@40.540...A7lO7nSYkYS2LPe7Zg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
     
  3. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    This was my opinion from reading his FB page before it was shut down. I've tried to qualify it as a rumor and say that I could be wrong (but I don't think so based on what I read). I thought it could make for a complicated situation legally, which interested me in the abstract. But it's probably best to disregard my comments. I'm sure I went too far.
     
  4. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    The suspect's address.
    Elley Mae. Thank you very much for the ^ info. Looks like a hilly area.


    Confused about respective locations of gas stn/c-store/crime scene, suspect's home, and place where bicycle & rain-gear were all found. I hoped one of our Google wizards could show us w a map & markings. Anyone? TiA.
     
  5. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Elley Mae in my reply to you about a twin I forgot to address your opinion (if I'm reading it correctly) that the FB page link posted by darmela in post #26 (not by me in 27) did not turn out to be the right Juan Vernegas. I actually did question whether it was the right person in post #27 because he seemed pretty normal. But once a mugshot photo of him came out, I confirmed that it was the right Juan Venegas in the FB link (see posts below). I read his entire FB page and saw that he posted a photo and referred to his twin. That's where my information came from. Unfortunately his FB page has been shut down, so no one can see what I saw. But it really was JV, based on comparing his mugshot to many FB photos. I hope this clarifies where my opinion about a twin came from, even though I plan to drop the twin subject for good now. :)

     
  6. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    I'm no google map wizard but this map shows that it's over an hour by car from his house to Johnson Park where the gas station was and where he left his bike and rain gear. It's seven hours by bike and it is very hilly.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Tel...1!1s0x54cd0c1e5fb7e6d3:0x89131cfe8834c46e!3e0
     
  7. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    I wonder where he worked, if he did. I haven't seen that.
     
  8. al66pine

    al66pine Well-Known Member

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    Lilibet. Thanks (again) for more info, this ^ map & markings.

    Jeepers.

    Maybe he put bike on his car, drove from home, parked a mile or so from store/crime scene, cycled to it, committed his horrific crime, afterward cycled back to car, drove off?
    Or maybe drove from home to location close to store, found bike to steal, then ^.

    Sorry if stolen bike idea has already bn discussed.
     
  9. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    BBM

    I agree that he must have driven to Johnson Park and brought the bike. Reading that he visited a friend in Burney at 5:30 and came back to her house around noon the next day looking like he had stayed up all night indicates to me that he may have stayed in Johnson Park or Burney all night. They are three miles apart. But he had to have gotten there somehow.

    The bike wasn't stolen. Friends he visited in Johnson Park shortly before the murder about 5:00 pm had lent him the bike about three months ago. A neighbor saw the bike at their home after the murder and told police.

    That tip led detectives to interview the home's occupants, Jerry James White and his girlfriend, Brittney Omstead, who told detectives Venegas was at the residence shortly before 5 p.m. on the day of the murder.
    "Omstead informed detectives that Venegas was acting strange and wearing a black-colored hooded sweatshirt," the sheriff's report said, adding that White, who said he had loaned his bicycle to Venegas about three months before, also said he was acting strange and asked for a toy gun.

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    According to the sheriff's report, detectives also interviewed on Dec. 24 Tara Heffley, who lives in Burney.

    She told detectives that Venegas was at her home for only a few minutes around 5:30 p.m. on the day of the murder, according to the sheriff's report. He came back to the home around noon the next day.
    "Heffley stated Venegas looked like he had been up all night, pacing around the house and he acted nervous," the report said.
    BBM

    http://www.redding.com/story/news/l...killer-fails-enter-plea-arraignment/96960920/
     
  10. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Using this article I've made timeline, with crude maps, as best as I can figure it. All addresses say Burney, but Johnson Park is about 3 miles away.
    http://www.redding.com/story/news/l...killer-fails-enter-plea-arraignment/96960920/

    December 21
    5:00 p.m. (Shortly before) Visited friends Jerry James White and Brittney Omstead on Garden Lane in Johnson Park.

    5:30 p.m. Visited Tara Heffley in Burney, about three miles (7 minutes by car) from Johnson Park, in the opposite direction from the Shell station. I assume he used a car because I doubt he'd want to be seen on the bike at that point. Killing time before killing David Wicks?

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Gar...1!1s0x54cd09cf318ac389:0x4b9ba3bc6709306f!3e0

    6:45? Drove back to Johnson Park, parked his car and rode bike 4 minutes to Shell station. I think he may have parked near Garden Lane, where he dropped off the bike later, for convenience.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Gar...1!1s0x54cd0c514390696d:0x2870318d60ee4778!3e1

    7:00 p.m. (Shortly before) Set fire to David Wicks at Rocky Ledge Shell station. :mad: :(

    7:05? Rode bike to Robin Way (shows as Pine on maps) .4 mile and 3 minutes by bike from Shell station. Left yellow rain suit in garbage can.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Shell,+38389+CA-299,+Burney,+CA+96013/Pine+Ave,+Burney,+CA+96013/@40.9224137,-121.623561,17z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0c514390696d:0x2870318d60ee4778!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0ea708462b65:0x1ef5d1a2a2d71317!3e1


    7:15? Rode bike to Garden Lane and left it at the home of friends he had visited earlier that evening and from whom he had borrowed it three months previously. It was spotted there the next day by a neighbor who called LE. It is .6 mile from Robin/Pine Ave, about 4 minutes by bike. Article says 100 yards but it seems further. Probably picked up his car near Garden Lane. Then what? Did he return to the Shell station in his car to see what was happening? Did he get drunk or score some drugs? Where did he go?

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pine+Ave,+Burney,+CA+96013/Garden+Lane,+Burney,+CA/@40.9194726,-121.6273846,16z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0ea708462b65:0x1ef5d1a2a2d71317!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0c1e4dbde809:0x42c2779e6c2a23ca!3e1


    December 22
    12:00 noon Returned to see Tara Heffley in Burney, looking like he hadn't slept. Did he go home to Redding or stay in the Burney area overnight? It's over an hour to his home in Redding.

    https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Burney,+California/Telecaster+Ln,+Redding,+CA+96001/@40.7040039,-121.85385,9z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd09cf318ac389:0x4b9ba3bc6709306f!1m2!1m1!1s0x54d2eeb898610a0f:0x831929b66cd8d1ce!3e0
     
  11. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    I wondered how the locals there knew him, seeing that his addy was redding but it looks like he was from there as well.

    Venegas has been a long time resident of the Burney, Johnson Park and the Fall River Mills area.

    http://mountainecho.com/frontpage01-24-17.pdf


    ............................

    found this.

    Illegal Alien Charged With Horrific Murder In California

    http://www.illegalaliencrimereport....n-charged-with-horrific-murder-in-california/
     
  12. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    are we sure he is an illegal alien? I read in this thread he was native American and on a tribal council.

     
  13. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    You are right. He is NOT an illegal alien!

    The link saying he is an illegal alien is not an MSM site. They have a clear bias. If you look at other posts headlining a crime by an "illegal alien" they present no proof. Anyone whose name sounds Mexican is considered illegal, and I expect that is the case with Venegas. IMO This site is fomenting fear and playing to the prejudice so prevalent in a segment of the American population against anyone from Mexico. JMO

    Venegas is a Native American who was very active on the tribal council, as I posted upthread at length. He may perhaps have a Mexican father or grandfather, but he is Native enough to hold tribal positions.

    I sincerely hope this settles it once and for all.

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-21-Dec-2016-*Arrest*&p=13087520#post13087520
     
  14. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    He may have been, but the name struck me as odd for NA, I found that link before I looked into his name.


    Juan

    Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Juan. Spanish and Manx form of Iohannes (see JOHN). This name is borne by Don Juan, a character from Spanish legend who, after killing his lover's father, is dragged to hell by the father's ghost.

    http://www.behindthename.com/name/juan-1

    Manuel


    Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Manuel. Spanish and Portuguese form of EMMANUEL. In the spelling Μανουηλ (Manouel) it was also used in the Byzantine Empire, notably by two emperors.

    http://www.behindthename.com/name/manuel


    Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Manuel. Spanish and Portuguese form of EMMANUEL. In the spelling Μανουηλ (Manouel) it was also used in the Byzantine Empire, notably by two emperors.

    Venegas


    Venegas Family History. Spanish: patronymic from Arabic or Jewish ben 'son' + the medieval personal name Ega(s), probably of Visigothic origin. Compare Portuguese Viegas.
     
  15. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    My bad, he's an native indian with a spanish name. jmo
     
  16. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    No worries. :) I just have zero tolerance for websites like that. :mad: Your research on the names was very interesting.

    But it does get confusing. I have a friend in her sixties who moved to her late father's reservation in WA in order to get the free or low cost medical care she qualifies for. Her father was half Native American and half Norwegian! Her maiden name is Norwegian and she has pale Norwegian skin but straight black hair. Her married name is Scottish. Go figure. Interestingly she does have a tribal family name.

    Since the Spanish intermarried in Mexico, and since Texas and New Mexico were once part of Mexico, there are bound to be Spanish names among Native Americans. I've seen that a lot. And of course, it's entirely possible that his father or grandfather was illegal, not that it matters now. I expect he's faced prejudice either for a Mexican name or for being Native American...or both.
     
  17. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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  18. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't read the whole thing but I suspected it was "one of those" sites by the sensationalistic writing.


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  19. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    Some NA have native sounding names. Some have Caucasian sounding ones.


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  20. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

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    Redding defense attorney Michael Borges, appointed to represent Venegas, entered the not guilty plea on behalf of his client after the Shasta County Public Defender's Office announced it could not represent Venegas due to a legal conflict.

    http://www.redding.com/story/news/l...-guilty-murder-burney-burning-death/97238744/

    Forensic tests conducted by the California Department of Justice revealed on Dec. 30 that Veneagas' DNA was found on the inside wrist cuffs of the rain suit, as well as on the bicycle and a ski mask that deputies recovered, according to the sheriff's report.

    bbm
     

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