GUILTY CA - David Wicks, 54, clerk burned alive at gas station, Burney, 21 Dec 2016

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Venegas' motive is "interesting."
Lt. Bertain said investigators from the Major Crimes Unit will continue to investigate the incident.

"We're still investigating all motives as to why this occurred. Again, I'm not going to elaborate as to what we have or why he decided to do this against Mr. Wicks, but it's interesting, to say the least, as to why he would do something like this," he said.
http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/sh...s-undisclosed-motive-is-interesting/282737930

Deputy: suspected murderer's undisclosed motive is "interesting"
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re bolded "Undisclosed" by who?

By arrestee Venegas? Has he disclosed/revealed/proclaimed to LE a motive for his horrific crime (he could have). IDK.
By Venegas' friend or fam? IDK.
By LE? IDK.
Lt. not elaborating as to " ...why he decided to do this this against Mr. Wicks..." suggests Venegas disclosed a motive to LE, but LE will not disclose/reveal his given motive to the gen pub. Lt stmt - motive is "interesting" suggest LE nailed it. If LE already nailed motive, then seems no need for more investigation on that issue, so why did Lt say "We're still investigating all motives as to why this occurred." bbm

Lt saying motive is "interesting" suggests LE knows. Enough hairsplitting on this for me for now, JM2cts.
 

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Link below is from Lilbet Post #51. Thank you very much, Lilibet.

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/sh...s-undisclosed-motive-is-interesting/282737930 Jan 20, has a 2 min news vid, w clips of vehicles turning from driveway/side road onto road, also shows a tent(?) w stuff (I cannot identify beside it), also a sky shot w helicopter in frame, etc.
No audio or voiceover explaining how these clips relate to crime. Are they related? What do they show us? Anyone? TiA.

It could be from the home on the right, there is a chain link fence, telecaster lane is the addy of the suspect it's to the right.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.540...A7lO7nSYkYS2LPe7Zg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
 

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I have seen nothing that says he has a twin, if that is/was coming from the post(27)to a fb page that was/is not the same person. I looked for link to him being a twin and the only thing I found comes back here, if there is a msm/news link to the twin talk I would love to see it. anyone?

This was my opinion from reading his FB page before it was shut down. I've tried to qualify it as a rumor and say that I could be wrong (but I don't think so based on what I read). I thought it could make for a complicated situation legally, which interested me in the abstract. But it's probably best to disregard my comments. I'm sure I went too far.
 

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It could be from the home on the right, there is a chain link fence, telecaster lane is the addy of the suspect it's to the right.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.540...A7lO7nSYkYS2LPe7Zg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

The suspect's address.
Elley Mae. Thank you very much for the ^ info. Looks like a hilly area.


Confused about respective locations of gas stn/c-store/crime scene, suspect's home, and place where bicycle & rain-gear were all found. I hoped one of our Google wizards could show us w a map & markings. Anyone? TiA.
 

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I have seen nothing that says he has a twin, if that is/was coming from the post(27)to a fb page that was/is not the same person. I looked for link to him being a twin and the only thing I found comes back here, if there is a msm/news link to the twin talk I would love to see it. anyone?

Elley Mae in my reply to you about a twin I forgot to address your opinion (if I'm reading it correctly) that the FB page link posted by darmela in post #26 (not by me in 27) did not turn out to be the right Juan Vernegas. I actually did question whether it was the right person in post #27 because he seemed pretty normal. But once a mugshot photo of him came out, I confirmed that it was the right Juan Venegas in the FB link (see posts below). I read his entire FB page and saw that he posted a photo and referred to his twin. That's where my information came from. Unfortunately his FB page has been shut down, so no one can see what I saw. But it really was JV, based on comparing his mugshot to many FB photos. I hope this clarifies where my opinion about a twin came from, even though I plan to drop the twin subject for good now. :)

Here's the perp's FB page: http://bit.ly/2jG03Cs

^^^^^^ Are you absolutely sure this is the right Juan Manuel Venegas? I can't find confirmation anywhere. He seems like a pretty nice guy with a wife who has had a successful career. I really hope this is a mistake. I figured it would be a disturbed loner. JMO

This article has a photo of Venegas. It is the same Juan Venegas on the FB page posted earlier. This guy has a talented wife, several kids and an apparently upstanding extended family. They must be in shock and devastated as was David Wicks' family. As mentioned in the article, LE is still trying to determine a motive.

https://www.facebook.com/juan.venegas.165?lst=100002857575638:100000844603825:1484904717
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This investigation is still on going and active as detectives continue to collect evidence and determine a motive. No further information about the investigation will be released at this time. The public is encouraged to contact the Major Crimes Unit at 530-245-6135 or at [email protected] if they have information about this investigation. Information can also be provided to Secret Witness of Shasta County at 530-243-2319 or at www.scsecretwitness.com.
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http://eastvalleytimes.com/suspect-identified-arrested-homicide-david-wicks/
 

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The suspect's address.
Elley Mae. Thank you very much for the ^ info. Looks like a hilly area.


Confused about respective locations of gas stn/c-store/crime scene, suspect's home, and place where bicycle & rain-gear were all found. I hoped one of our Google wizards could show us w a map & markings. Anyone? TiA.

I'm no google map wizard but this map shows that it's over an hour by car from his house to Johnson Park where the gas station was and where he left his bike and rain gear. It's seven hours by bike and it is very hilly.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Tel...1!1s0x54cd0c1e5fb7e6d3:0x89131cfe8834c46e!3e0
 

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I wonder where he worked, if he did. I haven't seen that.
 

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I'm no google map wizard but this map shows that it's over an hour by car from his house to Johnson Park where the gas station was and where he left his bike and rain gear. It's seven hours by bike and it is very hilly.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Tel...1!1s0x54cd0c1e5fb7e6d3:0x89131cfe8834c46e!3e0

Lilibet. Thanks (again) for more info, this ^ map & markings.

Jeepers.

Maybe he put bike on his car, drove from home, parked a mile or so from store/crime scene, cycled to it, committed his horrific crime, afterward cycled back to car, drove off?
Or maybe drove from home to location close to store, found bike to steal, then ^.

Sorry if stolen bike idea has already bn discussed.
 

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Lilibet. Thanks (again) for more info, this ^ map & markings.

Jeepers.

Maybe he put bike on his car, drove from home, parked a mile or so from store/crime scene, cycled to it, committed his horrific crime, afterward cycled back to car, drove off?
Or maybe drove from home to location close to store, found bike to steal, then ^.

Sorry if stolen bike idea has already bn discussed.
BBM

I agree that he must have driven to Johnson Park and brought the bike. Reading that he visited a friend in Burney at 5:30 and came back to her house around noon the next day looking like he had stayed up all night indicates to me that he may have stayed in Johnson Park or Burney all night. They are three miles apart. But he had to have gotten there somehow.

The bike wasn't stolen. Friends he visited in Johnson Park shortly before the murder about 5:00 pm had lent him the bike about three months ago. A neighbor saw the bike at their home after the murder and told police.

That tip led detectives to interview the home's occupants, Jerry James White and his girlfriend, Brittney Omstead, who told detectives Venegas was at the residence shortly before 5 p.m. on the day of the murder.
"Omstead informed detectives that Venegas was acting strange and wearing a black-colored hooded sweatshirt," the sheriff's report said, adding that White, who said he had loaned his bicycle to Venegas about three months before, also said he was acting strange and asked for a toy gun.

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According to the sheriff's report, detectives also interviewed on Dec. 24 Tara Heffley, who lives in Burney.

She told detectives that Venegas was at her home for only a few minutes around 5:30 p.m. on the day of the murder, according to the sheriff's report. He came back to the home around noon the next day.
"Heffley stated Venegas looked like he had been up all night, pacing around the house and he acted nervous," the report said.
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http://www.redding.com/story/news/l...killer-fails-enter-plea-arraignment/96960920/
 

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Using this article I've made timeline, with crude maps, as best as I can figure it. All addresses say Burney, but Johnson Park is about 3 miles away.
http://www.redding.com/story/news/l...killer-fails-enter-plea-arraignment/96960920/

December 21
5:00 p.m. (Shortly before) Visited friends Jerry James White and Brittney Omstead on Garden Lane in Johnson Park.

5:30 p.m. Visited Tara Heffley in Burney, about three miles (7 minutes by car) from Johnson Park, in the opposite direction from the Shell station. I assume he used a car because I doubt he'd want to be seen on the bike at that point. Killing time before killing David Wicks?

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Gar...1!1s0x54cd09cf318ac389:0x4b9ba3bc6709306f!3e0

6:45? Drove back to Johnson Park, parked his car and rode bike 4 minutes to Shell station. I think he may have parked near Garden Lane, where he dropped off the bike later, for convenience.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Gar...1!1s0x54cd0c514390696d:0x2870318d60ee4778!3e1

7:00 p.m. (Shortly before) Set fire to David Wicks at Rocky Ledge Shell station. :mad: :(

7:05? Rode bike to Robin Way (shows as Pine on maps) .4 mile and 3 minutes by bike from Shell station. Left yellow rain suit in garbage can.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Shell,+38389+CA-299,+Burney,+CA+96013/Pine+Ave,+Burney,+CA+96013/@40.9224137,-121.623561,17z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0c514390696d:0x2870318d60ee4778!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0ea708462b65:0x1ef5d1a2a2d71317!3e1


7:15? Rode bike to Garden Lane and left it at the home of friends he had visited earlier that evening and from whom he had borrowed it three months previously. It was spotted there the next day by a neighbor who called LE. It is .6 mile from Robin/Pine Ave, about 4 minutes by bike. Article says 100 yards but it seems further. Probably picked up his car near Garden Lane. Then what? Did he return to the Shell station in his car to see what was happening? Did he get drunk or score some drugs? Where did he go?

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Pine+Ave,+Burney,+CA+96013/Garden+Lane,+Burney,+CA/@40.9194726,-121.6273846,16z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0ea708462b65:0x1ef5d1a2a2d71317!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd0c1e4dbde809:0x42c2779e6c2a23ca!3e1


December 22
12:00 noon Returned to see Tara Heffley in Burney, looking like he hadn't slept. Did he go home to Redding or stay in the Burney area overnight? It's over an hour to his home in Redding.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Burney,+California/Telecaster+Ln,+Redding,+CA+96001/@40.7040039,-121.85385,9z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m2!1m1!1s0x54cd09cf318ac389:0x4b9ba3bc6709306f!1m2!1m1!1s0x54d2eeb898610a0f:0x831929b66cd8d1ce!3e0
 

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Kyle Cantrell, a close friend of Wicks, said he knows Venegas personally and that he was not surprised to learn that Venegas had been arrested due to his prior arrests and drug use. However, he added that he was surprised because he doesn't know why Venegas would target Wicks, specifically.
"She [Dave's wife] knows who he is, but none of us can ever think of a time that he was in there or a problem would've occurred; but, we don't know, and the only person who would know unfortunately is no longer with us."

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/sh...s-undisclosed-motive-is-interesting/282737930

I wondered how the locals there knew him, seeing that his addy was redding but it looks like he was from there as well.

Venegas has been a long time resident of the Burney, Johnson Park and the Fall River Mills area.

http://mountainecho.com/frontpage01-24-17.pdf


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found this.

Illegal Alien Charged With Horrific Murder In California

http://www.illegalaliencrimereport....n-charged-with-horrific-murder-in-california/
 

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are we sure he is an illegal alien? I read in this thread he was native American and on a tribal council.

I wondered how the locals there knew him, seeing that his addy was redding but it looks like he was from there as well.

Venegas has been a long time resident of the Burney, Johnson Park and the Fall River Mills area.

http://mountainecho.com/frontpage01-24-17.pdf


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found this.

Illegal Alien Charged With Horrific Murder In California

http://www.illegalaliencrimereport....n-charged-with-horrific-murder-in-california/
 

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are we sure he is an illegal alien? I read in this thread he was native American and on a tribal council.

You are right. He is NOT an illegal alien!

The link saying he is an illegal alien is not an MSM site. They have a clear bias. If you look at other posts headlining a crime by an "illegal alien" they present no proof. Anyone whose name sounds Mexican is considered illegal, and I expect that is the case with Venegas. IMO This site is fomenting fear and playing to the prejudice so prevalent in a segment of the American population against anyone from Mexico. JMO

Venegas is a Native American who was very active on the tribal council, as I posted upthread at length. He may perhaps have a Mexican father or grandfather, but he is Native enough to hold tribal positions.

I sincerely hope this settles it once and for all.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-21-Dec-2016-*Arrest*&p=13087520#post13087520
 

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are we sure he is an illegal alien? I read in this thread he was native American and on a tribal council.


He may have been, but the name struck me as odd for NA, I found that link before I looked into his name.


Juan

Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Juan. Spanish and Manx form of Iohannes (see JOHN). This name is borne by Don Juan, a character from Spanish legend who, after killing his lover's father, is dragged to hell by the father's ghost.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/juan-1

Manuel


Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Manuel. Spanish and Portuguese form of EMMANUEL. In the spelling Μανουηλ (Manouel) it was also used in the Byzantine Empire, notably by two emperors.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/manuel


Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Manuel. Spanish and Portuguese form of EMMANUEL. In the spelling Μανουηλ (Manouel) it was also used in the Byzantine Empire, notably by two emperors.

Venegas


Venegas Family History. Spanish: patronymic from Arabic or Jewish ben 'son' + the medieval personal name Ega(s), probably of Visigothic origin. Compare Portuguese Viegas.
 

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You are right. He is NOT an illegal alien!

The link saying he is an illegal alien is not an MSM site. They have a clear bias. If you look at other posts headlining a crime by an "illegal alien" they present no proof. Anyone whose name sounds Mexican is considered illegal, and I expect that is the case with Venegas. IMO This site is fomenting fear and playing to the prejudice so prevalent in a segment of the American population against anyone from Mexico. JMO

Venegas is a Native American who was very active on the tribal council, as I posted upthread at length. He may perhaps have a Mexican father or grandfather, but he is Native enough to hold tribal positions.

I sincerely hope this settles it once and for all.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-21-Dec-2016-*Arrest*&p=13087520#post13087520

My bad, he's an native indian with a spanish name. jmo
 

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My bad, he's an native indian with a spanish name. jmo

No worries. :) I just have zero tolerance for websites like that. :mad: Your research on the names was very interesting.

But it does get confusing. I have a friend in her sixties who moved to her late father's reservation in WA in order to get the free or low cost medical care she qualifies for. Her father was half Native American and half Norwegian! Her maiden name is Norwegian and she has pale Norwegian skin but straight black hair. Her married name is Scottish. Go figure. Interestingly she does have a tribal family name.

Since the Spanish intermarried in Mexico, and since Texas and New Mexico were once part of Mexico, there are bound to be Spanish names among Native Americans. I've seen that a lot. And of course, it's entirely possible that his father or grandfather was illegal, not that it matters now. I expect he's faced prejudice either for a Mexican name or for being Native American...or both.
 

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You are right. He is NOT an illegal alien!

The link saying he is an illegal alien is not an MSM site. They have a clear bias. If you look at other posts headlining a crime by an "illegal alien" they present no proof. Anyone whose name sounds Mexican is considered illegal, and I expect that is the case with Venegas. IMO This site is fomenting fear and playing to the prejudice so prevalent in a segment of the American population against anyone from Mexico. JMO

Venegas is a Native American who was very active on the tribal council, as I posted upthread at length. He may perhaps have a Mexican father or grandfather, but he is Native enough to hold tribal positions.

I sincerely hope this settles it once and for all.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-21-Dec-2016-*Arrest*&p=13087520#post13087520

I didn't read the whole thing but I suspected it was "one of those" sites by the sensationalistic writing.


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He may have been, but the name struck me as odd for NA, I found that link before I looked into his name.


Juan

Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Juan. Spanish and Manx form of Iohannes (see JOHN). This name is borne by Don Juan, a character from Spanish legend who, after killing his lover's father, is dragged to hell by the father's ghost.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/juan-1

Manuel


Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Manuel. Spanish and Portuguese form of EMMANUEL. In the spelling Μανουηλ (Manouel) it was also used in the Byzantine Empire, notably by two emperors.

http://www.behindthename.com/name/manuel


Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Manuel. Spanish and Portuguese form of EMMANUEL. In the spelling Μανουηλ (Manouel) it was also used in the Byzantine Empire, notably by two emperors.

Venegas


Venegas Family History. Spanish: patronymic from Arabic or Jewish ben 'son' + the medieval personal name Ega(s), probably of Visigothic origin. Compare Portuguese Viegas.

Some NA have native sounding names. Some have Caucasian sounding ones.


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Redding defense attorney Michael Borges, appointed to represent Venegas, entered the not guilty plea on behalf of his client after the Shasta County Public Defender's Office announced it could not represent Venegas due to a legal conflict.

http://www.redding.com/story/news/l...-guilty-murder-burney-burning-death/97238744/

Forensic tests conducted by the California Department of Justice revealed on Dec. 30 that Veneagas' DNA was found on the inside wrist cuffs of the rain suit, as well as on the bicycle and a ski mask that deputies recovered, according to the sheriff's report.

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