CA - Dr. Conrad Murray charged in the death of Michael Jackson

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  1. akashana

    akashana New Member

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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/27/michael.jackson/index.html

    LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, administered a powerful drug that authorities believe killed the singer, a source close to the Jackson family and with knowledge of the investigation confirmed to CNN on Monday.

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    http://ontheredcarpet.typepad.com/o...-harsher-charge-against-dr-conrad-murray.html

    Updated at 2:43 P.M.: OnTheRedCarpet.com has confirmed that Michael Jackson's personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray will appear in a Los Angeles Superior Courtroom at 1:30 P.M. on Friday.

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  5. shana

    shana New Member

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    From the article linked above (with thanks):

    The King of Pop died at his Encino, California home on June 25, 2009.

    No, MJ was not at the family home in Encino at the time of his death. Too bad that the rest of the article is more than likely factual.

    I look back on Michael's life, how an overly aggressive prosecutor in S.B. County went after him with a vengeance indeed; and yet the L.A. DA may let this so-called doctor get away with murder, literally.

    What sort of message does this send?

    Imagine if the victim/patient had been your own Mother.

    Doctors should be held to a far higher standard; in fact, they usually are!

    It makes no difference whether MJ wanted or insisted upon the drugs.

    I'm 100% behind the Jackson Family on their take.

    2nd degree Murder, at the very least!

    jmo
     
  6. believe09

    believe09 Active Member

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    Didnt MJ Die of propofol poisoning??? I guess the DR's defense is going to be that he did not administer all of it?? That MJ administered it to himself???

    the COD was homicide by acute propofol poisoning....hmmm
     
  7. Natal

    Natal Former Member

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    The death doesnt meet the requirements for a charge of 2nd degree murder though.
     
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    shana New Member

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    Thank you...but I believe even some of the THs would disagree with you. Your reasoning is...?
     
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    Natal Former Member

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    Because 2nd degree murder involves killing someone during the course of commiting a felony, and he didn't do that since as a physician he has the right to administer medication. There was no intent to harm the victim, so it isn't murder.
     
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    That is only one prong that could bring second degree. The defendant doesn't have to be committing another felony. That is just one instance where they can be charged.

    I do think they could have charged Murray with second degree but I do understand that would be a harder case to prove.

    Second Degree Murder Laws
    Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought. There are two types of murder: murder in the first degree and murder in the second degree. In order to bring murder charges, the victim must die within a year of the crime causing his death. Murder is defined in Penal Code Section 187.

    Murder of the second degree is similar to murder of the first degree, except the element of premeditation does not have to be proven. All that is required is subjective awareness on the part of the defendant that his conduct is dangerous to human life. Second degree murder is such a killing without premeditation, as in the heat of passion or in a sudden quarrel or fight.

    Malice in second degree murder may be implied from a death due to the reckless lack of concern for the life of others (such as firing a gun into a crowd or bashing someone with any deadly weapon). Under California law, the penalty for second-degree murder is life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

    Depending on the circumstances and state laws, murder in the first or second degree may be chargeable to a person who did not actually kill, but was involved in a crime with a partner who actually did the killing or someone died as the result of the crime. For example, in a liquor store stick-up in which the clerk shoots back at the hold-up man and kills a bystander, the armed robber can be convicted of at least second degree murder.

    http://www.squidoo.com/seconddegreemurder
     
  11. shana

    shana New Member

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    Simple def, from FindLaw:

    BBM

    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.

    http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html
     
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    Natal Former Member

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    There is the flaw in your argument, while Murray's conduct may have been dangerous (and hence the manslaughter charge) there is no evidence that it was motivated by "the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life".

    Sorry, IMO there is no way this should be a murder charge.
     
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    Let's get simple then-should Murray lose his license to practice?

    I personally believe he rose to the level of reckless disregard for human life. He allowed someone else to dictate what he (MJ) was taking for medication and why. He failed to adequately keep an eye on the patient who was being overdosed on the medication the Dr was providing. Then he worked long and hard to cover his own a**. He did not call for paramedics immediately when he discovered MJ had crashed. He tried to revive him on his own.

    He should turn in his license himself. JMO. And plead guilty. again, JMO.
     
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    After seeing the story on Dateline last night I am not so sure they don't have plenty of evidence that shows that Murray had a total lack of concern for human life. Those 47 minutes of phone calls Murray made after he gave MJ the propofol are going to come back to haunt him especially when every doctor that has spoken out has said the patient must be monitored closely at all times. If that isn't a total lack of concern for the welfare of a patient I don't know what is.

    I just think the DA is going with the safer charge.

    imo
     
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    IMO, and based on what information has been disclosed so far, I think the charge should be murder in the 2nd degree. That said, I agree that it is likelier the DA will go with the "safer charge" in order to win a conviction.
     
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    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    He will be charged Monday blpayne.

    imo
     
  18. Isabelle

    Isabelle Verified registered nurse

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    That seems to fit nicely with Dr. Murray's actions - he did have an "obvious lack of concern for human life". Dr. Murray has absolutely no excuse for his actions. I would hope "the book" would be thrown at him. For those who sympathize with Dr. Murray, as being made an example, too darn bad. He is a bad example of a physician and should never be allowed to use that title again.
     
  19. Isabelle

    Isabelle Verified registered nurse

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    Any medical person who administers a drug, such as propofol in a person's home or at any location that does not have personnel and equipment for a complete crash resuscitation has motivation backed by his/her obvious lack of concern for human life. There is no way around this. Charges might not be 2nd degree murder, but lipstick on a pig does not change the fact that it is still a pig. Murray has/had no excuse whatsoever to justify what he did. His actions are proof that he had a complete disregard for human life. Siimply, he didn't care. Sicko.
     
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    Hi Ocean, Great to see you! Ya Ya

    Earlier today on CNN I heard tomorrow Dr Murray will surrender to officers due to an agreement by the parties. It is to take away from the media circus that would ensue if he were publicly arrested with a presser following, hoping not to give Dr Murray an advantage with public perception.

    I did think it odd as tomoz is Sunday. That means acc to what you have read he will be arraigned on Monday but be in the hoosgow on Sunday, all booked in, right?

    xox
     
  21. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Well hey there my sweet friend!

    I believe they are going to do it all in one day. He will surrender shortly before the arraignment on Monday, I think, but who really knows.

    I find it odd though that they don't want anyone to see him in handcuffs when they certainly had no problem handcuffing MJ and bringing him in. Seems to be double standards to me.

    imo
     
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