CA CA - East Area Rapist aka The Original Night Stalker 1976-86

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  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    This alleged perp in Canada, shares some m/o with EAR, ie face mask, rape with husband and daughter present. imo, fwiw.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jack-william-kramer-rape-sexual-assault-trial-1.3749912
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  2. Kathleen Johnson

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    Actually, it was Lee Harvey Oswald that got JFK, Charles Bundy didn't start his crime spree until 74' when he was 27.

    And those ages technically weren't really young; it used to be common for folks to get married and have kids around 18-21.
     
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    I am brand new here and just finished reading this thread. This case is the most haunting thing I have come across! I am constantly reading true crime or watching unsolved cases and nothing has ever truly scared me before. After looking into the case I listened to a podcast, it was the most in-depth thing I could get my hands on at the time, and also read Hunting a Psychopath, I was left so freaked out. I don't understand why there has not been more exposure, this case is far more insane than Zodiac and he got a movie.

    I read a couple of things as I was going through the thread that I have wondered about as well, specifically the multiple vehicles. Has it been considered that he had access to a junk yard/salvage/auction lot? I remember reading that when plate numbers were obtained they had at least once led back to a car that had been scrapped if I am recalling correctly.
     
  4. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to Ws amosp!
    Although i post and read on many threads here on Ws.this case is possibly the freakiest and scariest one of all.
    The recorded phone call by the perp to a victim is off the radar, i could barely even listen to it, truly hoping that one day soon he will be identified.
     
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    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    There are actually at least a half dozen Zodiac inspired movies. Letter writing seems to enhance interest for some reason.
     
  6. colette

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    I think it was the codes Zodiac used that brought many to the case, not really the letters. One code letter was solved by a teacher, the rest unsolved. Also he wrote to newspapers and threatened to kill children as they got off school buses. That gets attention from the public.

    With EAR/ONS the rapes were kept from the public at first. Later many of the crimes/murders were not connected until DNA.
     
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    I think there are a LOT of people until recently who knew nothing about ONS. Firstly, there were at least 5, possibly 10 rapists in California in the 70's. Not even people in the community were aware of it.

    Second, the reward offered for the capute of EAR/ONS was basically nothing until recently.

    Third, we have to remember that in the Zodiac case details were released pretty much as they happened because he sent letters to the media. EAR didn't send letters, he taunted the victims and police through phone calls, much of which were never relased to the public until more recently.

    I believe these are the major reasons why the Zodiac was more popular. Many actually believe that EAR did leave clues such as the map, and 6th grade paper (though nobody is sure whether those were left intentionally).

    He did send one poem to the media, though. I'm not sure when that was released.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Night_Stalker#Letters_and_writings
    "Excitement's Crave" poem (December 11, 1977)


     
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    There should be an entire forum section devoted to this case, not just a single thread. I remember how chilling I found the case when I first heard about it on Cold Case Files back in '01. Now I have read all three books on the case. In my view, "Hot Prowl" is by far the best; it's certainly the most well-written. The other two were authored by detectives who worked on the case, which lends them much more credibility, but they are not nearly as smoothly penned. Shelby's "Hunting a Psychopath", in particular, is riddled with grammatical errors and typos.

    I think, of all unsolved cases, this is probably the one I would most like to see wrapped up. Getting this trash off the streets is long overdue.
     
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    There is a forum on proboards for this. It also has a few of the victims family members on it. It's quite interesting.
     
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    Never knew that "Hot Prowl" actually was a thing, had thought it was just a good title for the book!
    http://ucpd.berkeley.edu/hot-prowl-prevention-tips
    https://www.amazon.ca/Hot-Prowl-Jack-Gray/dp/0615813054
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    Has anybody here heard of Michelle McNamara? She was a crime writer and journalist working on the EAR/ONS cases and had giver the killer a new moniker: Golden State Killer. I feel sure she must have been a member here on Websleuths. She mentioned WS and linked to several cases her in her blog: http://www.truecrimediary.com/index.cfm

    6 months ago Michelle McNamara died in her sleep. The cause of death has not yet been released by the coroner but apparently attending paramedics and more recently her comedian husband, Patton Oswalt, suggest that it could have been an accidental overdose of Xanax. From what I know about this drug I am surprised at this conclusion. Xanax has a rapid onset and rare occurrences of overdose unless alcohol or other drug contradictions are involved. To be audibly snoring at 9:40am after taking Xanax the night before and to be dead a few hours later is troubling. Perhaps an aneurism? or heart attack? but 6 months later and there's no release from the coroner re: blood tests, PM results etc... A bit sad these lengthy delays. A few commenters on various news sites have mentioned that maybe she was getting too close to the identity of a serial killer...but surely if there was any evidential suggestion of foul play there would be ME results by now ?!?

    I have started a thread for her:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ara-April-22-2016-Accidental-overdose-suicide

    And here are a couple of links:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/ar...ent-again.html
    http://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/michelle-mcnamara/
     
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    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    I'm almost certain I came across her on some crime site but I don't remember if it was this one. I'm sorry to hear that she has died. Most other people interested in the case I've talked to didn't care for the Golden State Killer name. I don't know if it's because the older name is too entrenched or if it's because the name is a little bland.
     
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    http://www.lamag.com/longform/in-the-footsteps-of-a-killer/
    rbbm.
     
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    Crime News Daily will have an interview with murder victim Cheri Domingo's daughter on Oct 31.
     
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    [video=youtube;0hqUvYI5hTk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hqUvYI5hTk[/video]
     
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    That program is pretty bad (I've been watching it since it started last year when the Aussie was hosting), but any attention paid to the EAR-ONS case is better than nary. One thing that bothers me tremendously, and it baffles me why they insist on doing it, is the studious avoidance of any mention of dates.
    These idiots will often start off a segment with something stupidly vague like, "One September morning..." What the hell use is that to anyone? Details are important. People like us want to know dates, times, specific locations. We want to see as many maps, photos, documents, etc., as can be shown.
     
  18. dotr

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    Surely a classmate, lover or medical personnel might recognize one of the biggest clues, which ironically, is also a small clue, imo.
    rbbm.

    http://crimewatchdaily.com/2016/10/31/unsolved-californias-east-area-rapist-remains-at-large/
     
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    What website? Can you link


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    Link to EAR's chilling phone call.
    [video=youtube;4jHAA8bndRE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jHAA8bndRE[/video]

    FBI link
    June 15 2016
    https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/help-us-catch-the-east-area-rapist

    If he is still alive, the killer would now be approximately 60 to 75 years old. He is described as a white male, close to six feet tall, with blond or light brown hair and an athletic build. He may have an interest or training in military or law enforcement techniques, and he was proficient with firearms.
     
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