Found Deceased CA - Fang Jin, 47, flew to LA from China, train to Palm Springs, Morongo Basin, 21 Jul 2023, w/ JohnRoot Fitzpatrick, 55, missing, 30 Jul ‘23

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Does somebody of you have suggestions on what sites we can put our new flyer (almost finished) to bring it to attention for all possible target groups of people who might to have seen Jin Fang and/or John Root Fitzpatrick and/or the blue Toyota Tacoma from 21st of July or later ? We only need to put it digital or we also need printed versions to spread them on certain spots ?
businesses in Julian and in 29 Palms
campgrounds, gas stations in between

maybe the towns would put it on their web sites or Facebook-
not sure. Around here the towns and police have public Facebook sites.
 
Does somebody of you have suggestions on what sites we can put our new flyer (almost finished) to bring it to attention for all possible target groups of people who might to have seen Jin Fang and/or John Root Fitzpatrick and/or the blue Toyota Tacoma from 21st of July or later ? We only need to put it digital or we also need printed versions to spread them on certain spots ?

These are good questions. I would start with a digital flyer, I think. I say this because I tried using paper flyers in a different case and most businesses were not willing to put the flyer up. Also, if you send the digital flyer to various businesses and agencies, they can choose to print it out.

Target groups should include all ranger stations/public land managers in the region, gas stations (some of the bigger ones may have an online presence - travel stops, we call them). I'd also send to as many different LE stations as possible, in four counties (San Bernardino, Riverside, Imperial and San Diego).

I'd focus hard on businesses, churches, community groups in the Thermal and Julian areas. If the truck is abandoned somewhere, the people you want to engage are people who truly care and will keep the truck in mind as they go about their regular lives.

So, if you're going the digital method, you want to bring the flyer to the attention of Facebook users. The thing is, most of the California state lands use one email address and I"m not sure it's well-monitored. Then, most of the bigger parks have some kind of Facebook presence. For example, Anza-Borrego State Park's main office has almost no online presence, but out of the same physical office, they run a Foundation:


Easy to stick a flyer in a comment (be interested to see if the Foundation will allow it to stay - they have an email connected to that account and I bet they'd listen carefully to your story and might be very helpful.

Then, there are the Salton Sea area communities. If Jin Fang and JRF were victims of a crime somewhere out there (which is possible), the criminal(s) might be out in that area, as it is (to me) more or less lawless. There aren't police stations in every little town. There are a high number of released criminals (IMO) living out that way. But, each of the towns out there has some kind of business somewhere.

If someone stole their truck, my imagination goes to "they took it to Mexico" because although car theft is rare in my own neighborhood, our neighbor's truck did end up in Mexico (as did the car of another neighbor, possibly the same thieves, as the crimes were just a few months apart). I don't know what to tell you about trying to get word out in Mexico, as almost no one is going to take the risk of turning someone else in, even if they do know where the truck is.

I may be making it sound as if Jin Fang went missing in a very uncivilized part of the world, and to some extent, that's true - but overall lots of decent people DO go out into those lands occasionally for various reasons. So...I'd look up boron mining facilities, rock collecting shops (including in Arizona), and other venues where desert lovers tend to work. Send to any businesses/churches/civic organizations you can find along the California/Mexico Border and the Arizona/Mexico Border. Naturally, some of us will help send the flyers out too. I sent flyers to casinos along the Nevada side of the Colorado River area when Barbara Thomas went missing. I didn't get any responses - but then, she wasn't out that way as it turned out. I asked each casino to look for a particular vehicle - and I'd like to think they DID do this, but didn't find anything.
 
There are steep drop-offs on the roads leading out of Julian, whether you might be heading back to the desert, or heading toward the coast. That’s been my tentative theory. And as people have pointed out, the underside of a vehicle is a very neutral color, and if the vehicle is almost buried in tall brush, there wouldn’t even be much to see.

This is why I wish I was in a position to go out there, but for health reasons, cannot. So, if even one person in the Julian community decides to help, that would be an immense help. It's still possible that even if someone stopped at every curve in those roads, they might not see the vehicle, if there really is dense foliage.
 
I am new here, but wanted to start reading about a case near my area. I have read the whole thread since page 1. IMO, they may have had an accident on the Banner Grade (CA-78). This is the back way into Julian from Thermal/Salton Sea area. It is only an average 6% grade, but is a narrow 2 lane winding road with no lighting and pretty remote with not many people around. There are many sharp curves with no guardrails, steep drops, very thick overgrown areas, and ravines in that area. This stretch of road is very well known in this area for many accidents. Just Google 'Banner Grade road accidents' and you will see. Granted it is probably more likely for someone to lose control and crash coming down the grade, it is not unheard of on the uphills and flat areas on those road types around here. Also, I think the things they were doing and seeing would be a very common path for a local taking a tourist around those parts. From camping at Joshua Tree National Park, to Palm Springs/Palm Desert area, on to the Salton Sea area, and up the back way to Julian. She was seeing all of the best locations out there, which I would expect to see tourists going to in that type of order.
 
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Does somebody of you have suggestions on what sites we can put our new flyer (almost finished) to bring it to attention for all possible target groups of people who might to have seen Jin Fang and/or John Root Fitzpatrick and/or the blue Toyota Tacoma from 21st of July or later ? We only need to put it digital or we also need printed versions to spread them on certain spots ?
I don’t know if this was said, but there are lots of Facebook/online groups for camping/hiking specific areas and trails. I would post to all of those groups.
 
Thinking about what direction they might have gone, if they were both in Julian. This is an extreme long shot, but if she had any interest in animals, zoos, conservation, the San Diego Zoo Safari Park is a 45 minute drive from Julian, with some terrain that might be able to conceal an accident.
 
There are steep drop-offs on the roads leading out of Julian, whether you might be heading back to the desert, or heading toward the coast. That’s been my tentative theory. And as people have pointed out, the underside of a vehicle is a very neutral color, and if the vehicle is almost buried in tall brush, there wouldn’t even be much to see.
I know we’ve talked about this-the pic of Fang in the drivers seat of the truck. However, if Fang did drive on some those roads, I can see her becoming nervous, as anyone would, maneuvering through the area. I have always thought an accident occurred, but if that were the case, wouldn’t the truck have been found by now?
 
Does somebody of you have suggestions on what sites we can put our new flyer (almost finished) to bring it to attention for all possible target groups of people who might to have seen Jin Fang and/or John Root Fitzpatrick and/or the blue Toyota Tacoma from 21st of July or later ? We only need to put it digital or we also need printed versions to spread them on certain spots ?
Hi Mark, contact newspapers, local, international, as many as you can, with the hope some might want to cover the story and you can gain publicity for Jin Fang. Good luck!
 
I know we’ve talked about this-the pic of Fang in the drivers seat of the truck. However, if Fang did drive on some those roads, I can see her becoming nervous, as anyone would, maneuvering through the area. I have always thought an accident occurred, but if that were the case, wouldn’t the truck have been found by now?
I thought it was determined that she is not in the driver's seat, the photo is mirrored.
 
I don’t know if this was said, but there are lots of Facebook/online groups for camping/hiking specific areas and trails. I would post to all of those groups.
Great suggestions! I would also post to any California road trip or vacation Facebook groups as well as any “neighborhood news” types of Facebook pages for the nearby cities around that area. I am not too familiar with it but maybe also the Nextdoor app?
 
Not sure how missing people get listed at the link below but neither JL or JRF are:

 
Not sure how missing people get listed at the link below but neither JL or JRF are:

The page mentions that it “…assists law enforcement and criminal justice agencies…”

Which indicates to me that submissions are made by members of those two groups. Fang Jin and JRF are currently considered ‘voluntary missing’, I think(? Please correct me if I’m wrong), so wouldn’t be listed there.
 
Maybe send an electronic flyer to the editor of the student newspapers for the colleges and universities in the region? Student newspaper journalists are often willing to write an article in the student newspaper, so commuter students and staff would see the article, and they live in the area. Several state universities (like UC California and California State Universities, as well as community colleges) have satellite or main campuses in the region.
 
College and University student newspapers cover both campus and local news stories, and many of the student journalists are Journalism majors and would likely cover this news story.

The College of the Desert (located in Palm Desert) student newspaper website (The Chaparral)

University of Caifornia, Riverside student newspaper is The Highlander
The Highlander - Highlander
I think the The Highlander student newspaper at UCR covers both the main campus and the satellite Palm Desert Campus

California State University, San Bernardino student newspaper is The Coyote Chronicle and there is one newspaper for both the main campus and the CSU, San Bernardino Palm Desert satellite campus
 
Maybe send an electronic flyer to the editor of the student newspapers for the colleges and universities in the region? Student newspaper journalists are often willing to write an article in the student newspaper, so commuter students and staff would see the article, and they live in the area. Several state universities (like UC California and California State Universities, as well as community colleges) have satellite or main campuses in the region.
This is a very good idea. I was following a case here at WS of a young man who disappeared in 2020 after working his shift at a cannabis dispensary in Los Angeles, and was eventually found, murdered. A community college newspaper (El Camino College, The Union) began covering the case, and I just checked…and they are still covering it—now the trial! They wrote the best, most in-depth articles. So, it would certainly be worth it to reach out to any local college, because you never know.
 
I am new here, but wanted to start reading about a case near my area. I have read the whole thread since page 1. IMO, they may have had an accident on the Banner Grade (CA-78). This is the back way into Julian from Thermal/Salton Sea area. It is only an average 6% grade, but is a narrow 2 lane winding road with no lighting and pretty remote with not many people around. There are many sharp curves with no guardrails, steep drops, very thick overgrown areas, and ravines in that area. This stretch of road is very well known in this area for many accidents. Just Google 'Banner Grade road accidents' and you will see. Granted it is probably more likely for someone to lose control and crash coming down the grade, it is not unheard of on the uphills and flat areas on those road types around here. Also, I think the things they were doing and seeing would be a very common path for a local taking a tourist around those parts. From camping at Joshua Tree National Park, to Palm Springs/Palm Desert area, on to the Salton Sea area, and up the back way to Julian. She was seeing all of the best locations out there, which I would expect to see tourists going to in that type of order.
I agree with you. I think that JF and JRF met their demise in either an accident or after being overcome by the elements. I think if the truck is found, they will be found as well.

@mark1969 - would the PI be able to talk to the dealership (Paradise Chevrolet in Ventura, CA) where JRF purchased (April 2023) the 2016 Toyota Tacoma to ask if the dealership installed a security tracker?
 
I thought it was determined that she is not in the driver's seat, the photo is mirrored.
If you take a selfie.... it seems to the outsideworld everything they see on your selfie is always mirrored unless you unmirror it .... soo pics taken inside car of Fang and John are selfies , not unmirrored ;)
 
If you take a selfie.... it seems to the outsideworld everything they see on your selfie is always mirrored unless you unmirror it .... soo pics taken inside car of Fang and John are selfies , not unmirrored ;)

For me, it depends on my phone's setting. My phone turns selfies in reverse so that it looks as if I took it from a regular camera. (My logo on my t shirt looks correct and not reversed.)

I think we're all saying that we DON'T think she was driving his vehicle, correct?

Hoping for news about the vehicle....
 
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