GUILTY CA - Gianni, 24, & Sal Belvedere, 22, Ilona Flint, 22, San Diego, 24 Dec 2013 - #3

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  1. Curious Me

    Curious Me Long-Time Member from back in the day

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    Yes. What's that about? CM pleads not guilty and his attorney says he has no connections to the people killed, but we know his gun does. He's so uninvolved, and yet tries to commit suicide immediately upon arrest. Did he know that the safest place for him was in the psyche ward of the jail? There's hits done in jails and prisons, as well.

    This is one of the few cases where I have no firm opinion on what the motive must've been. There's possibilities from all kinds of angles, some we can't discuss yet, but it is enough to make me a basket case.

    Basket case? Where does that saying come from anyways?[​IMG]

     
  2. nikb

    nikb Active Member

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    Wow this totally makes sense when it comes to a recent restaurant experience I had. Everyone in the place seemed like they were either high on something or coming down from something. I remember saying something to my husband about us being in the Twilight Zone. Getting back to Gianni and Ilona in particular, it does seem hard to believe that family/friends wouldn't realize something was 'off' with their behavior if they were doing that many drugs. I mean if I could see it so obviously in people I'd never even met before, surely family/friends would see it (unless they were avoiding friends/family, but it doesn't sound like that was the case).

    I don't know if it would even help but I kind of wish we knew who the main target was, if there was one. It seems like it might help with drawing a connection (if there is one) between CM and the primary target. Unless the target really was just all 3 of them, which I guess would in essence mean the whole Belvedere family.
     
  3. TravelingBug

    TravelingBug Verified Insider

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    OB is remarkably well represented in just names alone! We've got OBMama too :)
     
  4. TravelingBug

    TravelingBug Verified Insider

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    Every time I scroll too quickly I skip the M to start Mama and think she's Obama. LOL :crazy:
     
  5. nikb

    nikb Active Member

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    Oh my gosh me too. Obmama you actually force me to slow down when reading the forums which is probably a good thing. :)
     
  6. SDNV

    SDNV New Member

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    I can't get over this either. Was he just too dumb to put the weapons in the back of the SUV and disguise them somehow, or was he still so mentally affected from having killed three people that he was just not thinking straight? Unless he is a psychopath, murdering three people would have cause of adverse effects on his mental state IMO.

    I would like to know what else was in the Explorer when they arrested him at the checkpoint. If it was full of clothes and other personal belongings he may very well have been going back to Hayward to put distance between himself and the crime.

    BTW Obmama: I thoroughly enjoy reading your analysis.
     
  7. SDNV

    SDNV New Member

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    I have been reading some of the druggie forums and from my limited education from them it seems that smoking heroine is somewhat safer that injecting. However, when you start adding other drugs to the mix it can be very risky.

    I found some examples of people that were able to function while using, but it was much lower amounts than was reported in this case. And, like I said above, when someone starts mixing other drugs and alcohol things can become unpredictable.

    This is also true from what I have been reading. Some just use enough to get "well" which is to stop withdrawal symptoms. They are not using enough to also get "high."

    From what I have been reading, many wanted to just experiment with H while telling themselves that they are in control and won't let it get out of hand. They even set rules for the selves like they will use only on weekends etc. As you can guess, those rules are quickly broken and another addicted user has been born.
     
  8. Curious Me

    Curious Me Long-Time Member from back in the day

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    Yes, and then some eventually complain they keep buying it and spending all that money, but they can't even actually feel the rush or the high anymore. They only feel horrible, wretched, awful if they don't get some. Yikes!
     
  9. SDNV

    SDNV New Member

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    For the reported amount of $250/day, and assuming that was between Gianni and Ilona, that is still a lot of heroin. Combine that cost with the other drugs that were in his system when found and they were spending a lot of money on drugs. IMO they would be at a high point (or low point depending on how you look at it) if they were using it all between themselves. Whether they were also dealers themselves is unknown.
     
  10. nikb

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    Shoot... I can figure out quote but not multi-quote with the site changes so I'm sorry to not quote. But real quick I wanted to add some thoughts:

    - The guy I mentioned earlier was HEAVY into drugs before it was noticeable. He couldn't understand why he would sometimes nod out (painkillers supposedly, not H, but I wonder...).

    - Yep - I think it's pretty common to get hooked enough that someone will use just to be functional. Hard to imagine but not impossible. I still keep wondering if they were 'stocking up' for the holiday weekend.

    - Weekends only... right. Pretty soon the weekend becomes Thursday to Sunday and Monday you use again because it's a 'recovery' day. And then hell it's almost almost Thursday again so what would it hurt?

    I don't know much about heroin, MJ, etc. but do have some experience with addiction and it can play some serious tricks on someone's mind. Again also no idea if they were involved with drugs, but so far it seems like the likeliest explanation to me. It's incredibly sad regardless.
     
  11. Curious Me

    Curious Me Long-Time Member from back in the day

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    Could be, if they were dealing then it might've been a bigger operation that threatened somebody else's territory. A message? Or it could be those runs to CV were to pick up amounts shared with others that worked at the restaurant. Heck, I feel like there's something more that is bigger information that we don't know about yet. Three young people losing their lives like they did is tragic.
     
  12. thebestinthewest

    thebestinthewest Verified insider - Gianni Belvedere case

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    Updates! I have been in constant contact with Gianni and Sal's sister and we keep in touch weekly just to see what the other one is up to. When I gave her the heads up on the warrants she was in utter shock because the victims families had not seen the warrants and had no clue they were being released. The families do not follow the media and for good reason she saw some nasty and mean comments people posted. According to the sister Sal was not in rehab/detox right before the killings he was in fact in Oregon with his sister because the restaurant purchase was getting finalized so there was no work for him down here and his sister in Oregon had work he could help her with. Sal did dabble in drugs in 2012 for a short time but he solely made the choice to stop and told his parents his parents everything and he entered out-patient rehab locally where he was prescribed Suboxone and he even successfully stopped Suboxone before the murders. The family had no idea about Gianni and Ilona being on drugs until it came out in court. Gianni and Ilona did not act like drug users according to the family there were not any signs and it was even more shocking because the 3 victims were homebodies. I am working on updating the justice4sd3 website to clarify the misinformation and once the families get the approval from the DA I will arrange to release a statement to the media. It should be noted that preliminary hearings do not have all of the information and things change from day to day during the discovery process. I have a reliable contact who has been interviewing the DA and information she acquires is pretty vague but useful none the less. According to her Gianni's 250 a day drug habit is believed to be exaggerated by the source who made the claims.

    I will update more after I get caught up on what i missed on the thread
     
  13. thebestinthewest

    thebestinthewest Verified insider - Gianni Belvedere case

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    According to a few sources the motive the prosecution will be going for is: "Drugs were not involved and Mercado was a wannabe hitman"

    IMO I still think he is crazy and delusional like if myspace was still relevant he and the movie theater shooter in CO would for sure be on each other's top 8.
     
  14. tvscum

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    If Gianni or Illona were the targets, CM must not have known their full names, IMO. Otherwise, he would have checked out their photos on Facebook. There was no trace or connection to the victims on his computer, apparently.

    Maybe CM wanted to kidnap Ilona and he planned to take out Gianni first. Sal shows up and CM demands his keys so he can kidnap Ilona. When she starts dialing 911, he has to kill her on the spur of the moment.

    What if the RIP only applies to Ilona because that's the person CM was stalking?

    JMO.
     
  15. geevee

    geevee Well-Known Stickie

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    Granted anything is 'possible', but could it be likely that LE has figured out a motive for the killings but do not want to reveal it until trial (so the defense doesn't have the time between now and trial to disspel it)?

    The only thing that makes sense (to me) of him killing all of them would be if he did have a crush on Ilona and he blamed the boys for corrupting her with drugs (if he were stalking her and they used that parking lot for buys and such he'd be able to figure that out), and maybe decided she had to die as well because she was an addict and not pure enough for him, even though he still crushed on her. Otherwise, unless there's someone else involved that hasn't been brought out yet, I still can't figure any reason for all of them being killed.
     
  16. GinaSeikwa

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    I would say it IS highly likely drugs are involved. And money. Lots of money probably. It's interesting how this was all seemingly well know by friends and other insiders way back at the beginning but all of a sudden they are homebodies. What a tangled web indeed. I'm pretty confident that LE has it all under control though. Should be interesting what else comes out.
     
  17. jggordo

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    What has happened with the remaining search warrants? I thought they would have published by now.

    JMO
     
  18. kimmypie1

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    I just want to comment on the "homebodies" part mentioned by the sister. That to me doesn't mean that they weren't using. If anything it more solidifies it. They would want to lounge around and stay in their rooms if they were high on H.
     
  19. thebestinthewest

    thebestinthewest Verified insider - Gianni Belvedere case

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    The phone was shut off after he lost contact with Mario in one of the warrants a woman said a private number called her and hung up and somehow Sal received a text after the shootings I think he used the phone to lure them after shooting Gianni and he probably used the app Caller ID faker I use it to troll my friends you can call any number from any number. I wonder how late tilted kilt was open and buffalo wild wings I remember the mall being open late I just don't remember which stores and how late
     
  20. obmama

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    Absolutely. The warrants were very explicit with regard to compromising the investigation, should the contents become public knowledge. Why CBS 8 chose to release a select few may be at the request of LE, perhaps to see WHO goes to the trouble to visit the court records department and pay to view/copy them. Or, as has been suggested, the content was repetitive or too personally revealing of innocent parties, i.e., Belvedere family bank records. I'm inclined to believe they contain details of items found or disclosed in conversations, like those of Nuno and Feller, that are being withheld to preserve the integrity of this case.

    Thank you West for your "insider views". I will interpret the sister's confidence in sharing personal matters with you, as an outlet to express herself to a trustworthy source who will not vilify the victims' families.
     

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