CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #5

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  1. kizzykat

    kizzykat Well-Known Member

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    Just for perspective, the year this picture was taken SH plead guilty to abusing Abigail and got 1 year probation, the children were pulled from public school, and they participated in an Occupy Minneapolis demonstration.

    The children had been with the women for approximately 2 years and 5 years at this point.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2018/03/hart_family_deadly_crash_a_tim.html
     


  2. Emb72

    Emb72 Well-Known Member

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    Great post!!!! Great reminder...
     
  3. akazia1978

    akazia1978 Well-Known Member

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    I can vouch for this. It took the state of CO 4 long years to sever my sisters rights to her 4 children. This is after verbal and physical abuse from her, smoking meth with the 3 and 4 year old in the room, kidnapping 3 of them on a visitation and running all over the state of CA and NV with her pimp high on meth and prostituting before being located 6 weeks later. ONLY after not staying clean after being arrested on kidnapping were her rights terminated. Just to give you a vague idea of the severity of things that can be going on before bio parents lose rights.
     
  4. Sleuth99

    Sleuth99 New Member

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    Define "hard places"

    Do we have any evidence all the children were addicted to drugs?

    I doubt these heartless women got advice and "ran with it." The only time I think they ran was from accountability and across the states to evade cps.

    They deserved to be placed under the jail.

    [emoji1488]'s up for all the children.



    MOO*
     
  5. rosemadderlake

    rosemadderlake Well-Known Member

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    That might make sense IF Cheryl Hart is a co-worker and Sarah worked Saturday's? --Still, it's a really odd time to send a text.
     
  6. gcharlie

    gcharlie Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you are saying and I agree with this, but not in the case of the Harts.

    I can't reconcile the number of festivals these kids went to with kids who have many challenges behaviorally, socially, emotionally and intellectually. Nor can I imagine, as a parent, bringing 6 young kids to events like these when they were basically 5 to 9 years old in 2011 and then again in 2012, 2013 and beyond. Events like these would have thrown home discipline out the window for the duration of the event. Social boundaries changed drastically for the kids at these events, as adult interaction was intense and many of the adult who interacted with these kids saw them more as spiritual blessings than children. The sensory stimulation at these events would be challenging for kids with issues.

    IDK why, but my gut says for Jen and Sarah to be bringing these kids to festivals as early as 2011, that the kids had to be fairly well behaved and manageable, especially given the multitude of photos showing them all together and the kids appearing to be cooperative and smiling for cameras.
     
  7. Sleuth99

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    Forget the Hart women for a moment. What do you think the children would have said in response to this?

    THEIR voices have been silent and this type of post for me is not victim-friendly.
    It's superficial theorizing at best.


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  8. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    I was a teacher for over thirty years in schools where most of the kids came from poverty. I had children who were adopted or were living with relatives or in shelters. I had some that were born drug addicted. Or some that came from intact families.

    I did have parents who disappeared when we as school personnel started getting too close to examining what was happening . One that really bothered me was a woman from a farm in Southern MN. Lots of strange things. But she fled.

    With hundreds of children I taught, I have to say we never treated the children differently. They had rules and expectations. We would take data on what triggered them, and then try to change things so the triggers would be addressed,

    For instance, children who have instability like things the same. So if any changes in the classroom are to be made, we do them together as a group rather than them walking into a new situation,

    One girl freaked out when coming to school. Why? The psychologist analyzed it and it was because she could not scan the room because we had a bookcase right by the door. She did not feel safe unless she could scan the room.

    Fortunately we had staff who I could discuss things with. Weighted vests, texture balls to squeeze, sitting on texture mats. And we discussed methods with the child on what to do if they were going to have a meltdown.

    This was all with kids of varying abilities and ethnicities. In all of my years, I did not have to resort to punishment. The children were able to work as a team and we could discuss and brainstorm.or they could express their anger and we would listen. That is all they wanted. Someone to listen. The original issue did not even matter after the child was heard. We would ask what the child wanted out of the situation. It was so amazing.

    I did not allow items from home because they get stolen or lost. But sometimes some kid needed whatever it was he needed. We discussed the need as a group. Then the next couple of days several kids brought their “needed” items but they promptly forgot about them as they did not really need them.

    I am so passionate about this because I know it works. Not because I am teacher and greatest person of the year, but because I had training.

    We had a special grant for a few years. One time a man came and sat in my room for the whole time taking notes. At the end of the day, he asked me if the kids were always so well behaved. I have to admit I was astounded myself.

    The next day things went back to normal.

    We can make a difference in kid’s lives by treating them with respect. They are amazing. The positive things they think of!

    Big emotions are a learning time because they will have them all of their lives. Learning what to do with those big emotions is critical.
     
  9. gcharlie

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    :goodpost:

    This brought tears to my eyes, because it speaks to the truth of dealing with children. They deserve respect and understanding.
     
  10. PearlClutcher

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    Almost complete isolation seems extreme. They had these kids for years and possibly a couple of the kids from infancy. When are the kids able to finally do normal socializing? Apparently 19 years of age isn't the magic number.

    Surely children from "hard places" can't be shut indoors and limited forever. If a child is so mentally stunted that they need to be extremely restricted, that child mostly certainly needs continued therapy instead of just isolation like a bird in a cage.
     
  11. human

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    I should have kept a chart. When I had my parent teacher conferences, almost every parent seemed to ask if their child has a friend in school. Interesting how important that was.

    It does not matter if you are gifted beyond belief if you do not have friends and can get along in the world.
     
  12. enelram

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    human, that was a beautiful and accurate and moving post. thanks so much.....can we clone you?
     
  13. waschbaer

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    IMHO Markis looks unwell in pretty much every photo of him. Swelling in his face, yes, but also his color is off, his eyes look like they have bags, etc. I think the previous poster who said that keeping the kids in almost all-white crowds helped to mask their condition because white folks have less of a reference point for the nuances of what the range of normal growth and coloring is for a black child. If they had been around fellow black folks, more people would have been concerned about their appearance. And NOT accepted the "moms" lies as to the reasons.
     
  14. Koshka

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    bbm. What someone seems to be on Facebook is not necessarily indicative of what they are like IRL, as this case shows. I know someone whose mother on Facebook seems like the loveliest, sweetest older woman. That mother quite literally kicked her 14 year old daughter out of the house when the daughter confided to her that she thought she might be attracted to women. 14 years old, kicked out and told never to come back. Now, of course, we don't know what the parents of Jen and Sarah are like, and a story like that might be horrifying to them, but we really don't have any idea.
     
  15. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    Truly. It also seems an odd time to text a friend about being so sick at 3 a.m. Saturday that you might go to the hospital and miss work *Monday* (which I believe was the day referenced.) Normally, you'd wait to see if you were going to the hospital, not text a friend at 3AM that you *might* go there. And if you called at that hour simply for a shoulder to cry on about thinking you needed a hospital, and you had the rare sort of friend who answers texts in the middle of the night, then you'd certainly reply to her responses (which SH didn't), lest your friend panic and call 911.

    Normally, I'd think a spouse would let work people know if you were suddenly so sick you were admitted to the hospital over the weekend and were too incapacitated to call in. And not by text, but by phone call.

    So I'm not entirely convinced SH sent that text. Sounds more to me like someone wanted to delay alarm at SH's absence from work Monday, though instead it effectively raised alarm bells with her friend (who called LE Monday).
     
  16. human

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    Ha ha. I made plenty of mistakes that haunt me as I learned as I went along. But truly, the last few years of teaching were the most incredible because of the training I received.

    The most incredible teacher I ever saw was Julie Erickson at the U of MN in Minneapolis. She had a program with children with huge issues. She would even ride the bus home with them to see what was what.

    She tolerated being hit and scratched and whatever else so that she could reach their big emotions.
     
  17. human

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    Yes, that is true for sure. Look at their FB. But I do not think it was a severing because of political views on the world. Whatever it was . Who knows.
     
  18. rosemadderlake

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    This is all so true for adults, too!

    Wonderful post, Human.
     
  19. Whiteorchids

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    If you zoom in close her two front teeth are missing. Matter of fact on the remember the heart kids FB. There are photos of her wearing the same outfit with her mouth closed and a closeup with her teeth missing. There are 485 plus of photos.
     
  20. Sleuth99

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    Huh? Missing? I notice Devonte is the only one out of the children who is NOT wearing glasses and his left hand could be in a fist.🤷🏾*♀️


    MOO*
     
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