CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #5

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  1. enelram

    enelram Well-Known Member

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    I've gone through dozens and dozens of photos and I believe Jen was Right Handed.

    If you want to see loads of pics not posted here or released yet, go to "Jen Hart's photos" on FB.
    Many pics of the kids at festivals, half naked people, almost naked people and lots more.
     


  2. cybervampira

    cybervampira Well-Known Member

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    Drunk, drugged and possibly on the run: The Hart family’s final days
    http://wtvr.com/2018/04/15/drunk-drugged-and-possibly-on-the-run-the-hart-familys-final-days/
    Three children remain missing and so many questions persist in the mystery of how the Hart family’s SUV ended up at the bottom of a 100-foot Mendocino, County, California, cliff.

    The few details that have emerged paint what appear to be dark months, and perhaps years, for Jennifer and Sarah Hart’s six adopted children, who repeatedly accused their mothers of abuse, according to reports from neighbors and a social worker.

    The home-schooled kids complained specifically of being denied food and of racist behavior, according to a case report. Jennifer and Sarah Hart were white. Their children were black.

    In their final days, the family members left their home in Woodland, Washington, and headed south. Little is known of their seemingly hasty departure — or of the following days — but the latest details speak to a possibly disturbing demise for the children.

    [...]
     
  3. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been offline this week. Other two? Did they find one?


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  4. enelram

    enelram Well-Known Member

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    Yes, they found one black female, as yet unidentified.
     
  5. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    While I agree w most of the sentiment, some parents hate pop (myself included lol)


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  6. Stunned

    Stunned Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah big time!
     
  7. Doghairrules

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    O/T: I read your post and then scrolled back up to see your user name. Thanks for the laugh. [emoji23]
     
  8. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    In the Safeway surveillance video, she is handing the cashier the credit card with her right hand. I invariably remove my credit card from wallet with dominant hand, using other hand to hold or stabilize my wallet while reaching in with the dominant hand. For what it's worth, I'd guess she is right-handed. JMO.

    Not really seeing the bruising on SH's face that some are seeing in the photo, either, so I guess it's a moot point (to me) in regard to that particular photo. Not saying she wasn't abusive; just saying that photo doesn't suggest that to me.

    One last thought...a decline into alcoholism can cause noticeable weight gain. While we can't know for sure at this point, given her blood alcohol levels at time of death, I would not be surprised to find out she'd become more reclusive in part due to struggling with that issue. It's probably an understatement to say that alcoholism and abuse often go hand in hand.
     
  9. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    Do we have any photos that clearly show her left hand? I just have a bug in my brain and it's probably nothing, but I'm curious. There was one photo from several years ago and someone commented on her odd grip of, IIRC, Sierra with her left hand. Do we have any other views of that hand?
     
  10. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    For what it's worth, I stabilize my wallet with my dominant hand and remove/hand over the card with my non-dominant hand. Maybe my handedness isn't very pronounced compared to others, but it seems to me my choice is driven more by the design of the wallet than anything more significant than that.
     
  11. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    Like most of us, I’m put off by the “Hart Tribe” name they gave themselves. I wasn’t sure how to express what bothers me. I knew it wasn’t exactly a hippy thing or a new age throw back to African family groups. So I did a little research and it’s clear that the Harts were the opposite of what a contemporary “tribe” is. One’s “tribe” is a group of people who share interests and/or a common experience, are there for each other, are equals and usually aren’t related (although they can be). It’s like a chosen family. This description shows that the “Hart Tribe” was the antithesis of what a tribe is meant to be:

    “But contemporary tribes are distinctly unlike families — and even ancient bands — in their governance. Consider the popular show Friends[FONT=&amp]. There’s no chief or matriarch in that fictional modern tribe: Tribes are democratic, or led by a group of committed individuals. Members can enter or leave the clan as they wish, and the group’s activities and agenda are usually the result of consensus and acclaim, rather than top-down decree.”
    BBM

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    More info at link:
    https://experiencelife.com/article/my-tribe/


    These women were presenting their family as a “tribe,” either mistakenly or dishonestly, for attention. The children served their interests. It wasn’t mutual. The children had no say in joining or in deciding what the “Hart Tribe” did. They could not leave. The children were dependent on the adults and certainly weren’t in a position to “be there” for the adults...although I think the adults expected that from them.

    The Hart women co-opted the term “tribe” to present their family as something it wasn’t and never could be. Devonte had threatened the “tribe’s” existence, and their phony united public persona was about to disintegrate. The children were not allowed to leave, and so the faux “tribe” was obliterated in a staged “tragic accident.”
    JMO
     
  12. drama_farmer

    drama_farmer Central Kentucky (Bluegrass)

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    Now I have the "Banana Splits" theme song bouncing around inside my head! Thanks for that. [​IMG]

    Maybe the bunch of bananas were purchased as a distraction. In the past, there were times when I needed to buy an item of a personal nature, but felt too self conscious to check out with just that "one" thing. So, I'd grab an additional item to keep that particular item company on the conveyer belt.
    Maybe she also bought a family sized bottle of Benadryl. :thinking: MOO
     
  13. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    My preference and habit might also be due to the fact that I usually wear my shoulder bag over the non-dominant hip (thumb hooked over strap), leaving my dominant hand free to reach for things, open doors, etc. So at checkout my non-dominant hand is in charge of basic motor skills involved with stabilizing my purse or wallet, while my dominant hand does the fine-motor skills involved in reaching in for the wallet and extricating the credit card.

    To each their own. :) The brain is a fascinating thing.
     
  14. Whiteorchids

    Whiteorchids Well-Known Member

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    Hi mods

    I have a photo and a comment from Jen Hart’s FB someone left 6 yrs ago. The comment refers to Jens photo of Devonte holding up a sign the commenter didn’t think it was right to use the kids as political tools. Jen got upset at the comment and tried to defend it, boy does she go all ballistic. Talk about a temper.
     
  15. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    How do you access it?
     
  16. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    IMO Devonte wasn't giving the hug. He was receiving the hug: thus the tears.

    It's easy to assume the tears are an emotional reaction to the topic of the event. It's unclear that any of the kids (or parents, for that matter) were invested in that particular cause: they are likely to have been trotted out for show, so no one would guess that this wasn't a beamingly happy family.

    It's much more likely that Devonte's tears came from being hugged by someone in authority who could give a great bear hug, with no obligation. Tears like that can easily come from being held.

    It's further possible that it wasn't the publicity after that photo that caused the women to pull up stakes and move. Instead, it might have generated emotional responses from all the kids, perhaps enough to cause a mini rebellion: the women could have moved out of punishment.
     
  17. RickshawFan

    RickshawFan Verified Outdoor Recreation Specialist

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    In a word: Photoshop.
     
  18. ZoriahNZ

    ZoriahNZ Well-Known Member

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    In this picture of Devonte Hart dated the 2013 Portland viral hug incident, you can see Jen Hart to the right of him. She's clearly not slim.

    [​IMG]

    http://newyorkbeacon.com/heres-how-...rtedly-profited-from-adopting-black-children/


    If you look up the photographer credited, you can see more public pictures of the protest event, including a photo I find particularly chilling of Devonte looking up at Jen with tears in his eyes. He looks frightened and appears to be receiving instruction. I presume this is just prior to the meeting with the policeman. I am beginning to think that those claiming that Devonte was pushed into a planned photo op are correct. JMO. The picture is displayed in the photographer's public portfolio gallery, but I cannot link it here without written permission.
     

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    So, it looks like Jen could get very angry because someone simply made a comment. It wouldn't be hard to see her going ballistic and going over the edge of a cliff.
     
  20. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    I took my 10-year-old to Burning Man last year and we're returning again this year as well. While the drug culture is definitely present, I don't find that it's any more blatant than what we see around my town in the most popular drug-shopping areas (FWIW, most drug transactions go down in the parking lot between our McDonalds and Rite Aid).

    This will be my 10th year of attending Burning Man. I've never done any drugs there, nor have I been offered any. Marijuana is probably the most prevalent, but I see (or rather smell) it at local music festivals here in my state as well. Depending on where you live, recreational marijuana isn't even illegal so your stance on that is kind of personal. Alcohol, opioids, and benzos are widely available at BM to but, again, I haven't found them to be any more prevalent than what I've seen at local festivals (or even our county fair).

    You more or less get what you want out of Burning Man, or any of the smaller reclamations that lead up to BM. If it's sexual freedom and exhibitionism that you want, you'll find it there. If it's uppers or downers or smoking weed with like-minded people you want, you'll find it. However, you'll also find just as much "conservative" activities as well. Each camp has its own theme and there truly is something for everyone. We personally go for the creative vibe; we enjoy the bonding of artists from all walks of life, we like the inspiration that comes from the installations, and we LOVE the community feel (there's nothing for sale at Burning Man except ice-you barter for everything you need). There's even an enclosed area for families with kids called "Kiddsville" where you can find all kinds of "camp" type activities for the little ones. You won't find any sex or blatant nudity or drug use in it.
     
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