CA - Hannah,16,Devonte,15,&Ciera Hart,12 (fnd deceased),Mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #6

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  1. GutInstinct

    GutInstinct Well-Known Member

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    'We're going stop here for a few minutes and enjoy the view. Everyone take off your seat belts and relax.' - It is my feeling that this is why the stop. I'm sure many would want to get out of the car to relieve themselves, if nothing else, but then again, if the engine was still on, the doors would have been locked and no one could get out.

    I think Jen is the only one who knew what was coming - and it was planned from the get-go; hence why everyone was drugged with Benadryl - most likely unknowingly - deliberately put in everyone's water bottles - or a shared water jug.

    I also think this could have long been the 'ultimate escape plan' for Jen in her mind as their lives and their minds became unraveled. There are too many excuses made along her social posts of why the children could never live normal lives, or get jobs, etc. And, there would be no income for them after they reached 18. Perhaps Benadryl was being used inside that house for a long time to sedate the family. I think Jen decided a while ago that she'd run as long as should could, until she couldn't.

    I would think there was serious mental illness, personality disorders both women had - and were co-dependent. If they weren't getting medical treatment - then the symptoms and behaviors weren't managed. And personality disorders can't always be helped with medication anyhow.

    In the end, it was mass murder and suicide. I don't have a theory on the missing two. However, I do believe that some may have been dead/killed/deceased before the plunge, including Sarah. Whatever those last moments were, they were filled with terror, sedated or not.
     


  2. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if they all got punished if one misbehaved. Some teachers have used that “technique” in their classrooms. All it does is turn kids against each other IMO.
     
  3. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Katy made quite a case for the impenetrable aspect of a pot farm. It seems possible to me. They certainly are anti govt
     
  4. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    bbm. Agreed. Another misperception is that they have an unlimited budget. Totally untrue. Caseloads in most places are far too large, and they have to prioritize calls. Someone calling CPS to say the kids next door say they're not being fed enough is going to be a lower priority than someone calling CPS to say they've seen physical abuse or reporting an immediate, right that minute, danger.

    I once had the 9 year old kid next door come over to my place after work and tell me she and her little brother didn't have anything to eat for dinner. She told me their dad was (and had been for years) completely out of the picture, their mother was a nurse who worked nights, and their older half-sister wasn't there. I didn't know whether they truly had nothing to eat or what the situation was, so I gave her sandwiches and fruit and sent her home. Two months later, she was back saying no food and now no electricity. It was autumn, so that meant no heat. I gave her food and a sleeping bag, and when she left I called CPS. They told me it would be at least a week to two weeks before they would be able to investigate. When I expressed surprise, the CPS worker explained that each worker had approximately 50 cases at any given time and thus they had to prioritize calls by degree of imminent danger to the child.

    tl;dr: if you want better child protective services in your state, lobby for better funding.
     
  6. human

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    I wonder about all of the people who said they were such great parents. What did they base that on?
     
  7. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Could be. And a child is selected as the good example.
     
  8. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    I know of a woman who is a professional with three kids, now grown, who is Disney obsessed. She even calls some kind of line to talk to someone. Unclear, I know, but when I heard it I was too stunned to asked anything.

    Sounds like Jen had a Goonies fixafion. I love that movie as well. But not that much.
     
  9. gcharlie

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    Devonte Hart's mother: tracing her life from the Midwest to her drive off the California cliff

    http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...st_to_her_drive_off_the_california_cliff.html

    This article is giving a fuller picture of Jen's life and how the kids were being raised.

    I read through it twice, paying attention to the pictures and the information.

    In the early years with the Harts, the kids were dressed more traditionally. I get the impression that the abuse charge in 2010 was a real turning point and can't shake the feeling that Jen was suffering from some kind of mental illness.

    And as much as their friends talk about how much in love Jen and Sarah were, I don't get the sense of a healthy and balanced relationship. The lifestyle that Jen was paving also put a severe financial strain on the family, something the author of the article does not address, but it seems to be another tipping point leading into the downward spiral beginning in 2016.

    Sad to read that Hannah rarely spoke when the one friend visited.

    I'm sure we'll be finding out more in the days, weeks and months to come.
     
  10. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Reading the reality of what many of you adoptive parents on here or your adoptive parent friends deal with when adopting a
    child brings it home even more how wonderful adoptive parents truly are. It's not just taking someone else's biological child into your home to love and raise, regardless of ethnicity or whatever, it's also dealing with super intense issues that many children don't typically have. Issues stemming from their families of origin or early experiences, etc.

    I'm in awe of it.

    Then come a long the rare creeps like these two. Particularly psychologically ill-equipped to deal with the needs of kids adopted from foster care and the challenges such kids face. It seems overwhelming for even the most psychologically stable person to deal with. But someone like Jen? Ugh.

    I take Benadryl nightly because I'm allergic to animals and yet they sleep with me!! It makes your mouth numb if the capsule breaks open or if you rest a caplet in your mouth without swallowing for too long. It has a weird bitterish taste and numb feeling. And that's just one little capsule.

    The amount necessary to being able to drug an unsuspecting adult into unconsciousness would be very very obvious.

    I firmly believe Sarah was in on it. She took it so she wouldn't be aware of herself dying and they made their kids swallow capsules.
    Then Jen just took a few swings of liquid courage.
     
  11. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    Bliss, Idaho?!? What a strange place to end up.... It's out in the middle of nowhere and there isn't anything there... The population is only about 300. Weird. I guess it is right off I84, but it's just like a place to get gas on your way somewhere else. I suspect they just liked the name or something. Idk I just remember going to a wedding in Bliss as a tweenager... It was at the restaurant/bowling alley/bar. I think that was the first time I ever saw a condom machine in a bathroom, too, lol and was fascinated.
     
  12. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I finally saw the video with the family at the Bernie Sanders rally. I don't think Markis had any serious cognitive issues. He seemed quite in tune with what was happening and understanding the nuances of the symbolism of the bird, actually long before many there did.

    I have no doubt these kids came to the home with significant issues as many kids from foster care do (see my last post) but I also get the strong sense that the parents greatly exaggerated those issues in a bid for attention and accolades.
     
  13. Breamworthy

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    I'm sure this is true in many places, but it seems that responses are sometimes extremely lacking and sometimes completely over-the-top. Different location, but they had time to investigate when my friend allowed her toddler to be naked in a kiddie pool in their backyard, which is completely screened from view.
     
  14. human

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    It sounds like Jen spent a long time with the kids alone. Six months, at one time, the article says. Plus she would bring them to events by herself.

    It is hard enough to bring a couple of kids anywhere by yourself. Keeping track of them in crowds is just one issue.

    And supposedly these kids were sooooooooo damaged.

    I imagine we will never know what life at home was like. Cooking, cleaning, food prep.

    I always wondered how some people had so many kids. Providing a good life for kids takes a lot of time and work.

    Then I figured it out, They prop the bottle. Do not answer cries. Eventually the child stops thinking s/he can influence the world.

    I bet those kids had their needs extinguished. Compliant. Like prisoners
     
  15. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    If it was screened from view, how did anyone know?
     
  16. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    BBM. Bingo.

    She never spoke. The woman said she never heard her speak at all! (I wonder if she was allowed to?)
     
  17. human

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    I wonder how her speech would be without those teeth that Hannah was not interested in replacing
     
  18. Doghairrules

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    Well, to be fair, probably the ones
    Who didn’t get it right away were high. /s 🤣
     
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    I agree with all my heart. If only they had the foresight to run away & a safe place to hide.
     
  20. Lilibet

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    Human, you do realize that you have started a thread digression onto bottle propping and not answering cries, don’t you? How could you?! :D
     
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