CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #1

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  1. Zelda1010

    Zelda1010 Active Member

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    First post, blue shirts from Bernie Sanders rally. His arm is not raised in a prideful fist, but his visible left hand is clenched in a fist at his side. His other arm is around Mom Sarah.

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    It could be nothing. Or maybe the possibly RAD boy who gives free hugs to strangers is feeling anxious or stressed while the group photo is being taken with him showing affection for Mother. It could be an "excited utterance" of the hand without raising the fist. Say "revolution!" instead of cheese or smile, maybe. But it does stick out to me.
     


  2. HearMeRoar

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    Here's some information about Adoption (firsthand as an adoptive parent and also having working with foster and adoptive families). Laws seem to change continuously from state to state but right now, same-sex couples in all states except Mississippi adopt.
    https://www.lifelongadoptions.com/lgbt-adoption-resources/lgbt-adoption-laws

    If the laws prohibited the Hart's from adopting as a couple, there is something called "A second parent adoption." A second-parent adoption allows a second parent to adopt a child without the "first parent" losing any parental rights. In this way, the child comes to have two legal parents. In other words, after one partner adopted the children, the partner could then petition to adopt the children. My guess is that both parents adopted the children. https://www.childwelfare.gov/topics/adoption/adoptive/family-type/second-parent/

    Regarding foster care and adoption and monthly stipends. Stipends are provided to families who provide foster care. The stipends vary from agency to agency and from state to state. Some sites will tell you what the stipend is if you google it. Stipends are typically $550- $1000/ per month per child. There are different levels of care as well and special needs children would typically provide a higher stipend. The idea behind the stipend is to reimburse a parent(s) for food, clothing, entertainment, utilities, etc. I would like to believe that families go into foster care because they are passionate about children and believe that these kids, typically with a trauma history, need an advocate.

    When a foster family makes a decision to adopt a child, that stipend will continue to be provided to the family if it is needed/ wanted until that child leaves the home or turns 18. Stipends will continue even in the case of kinship care, e.g.,, a grandmother adopting a grandchild. The child will also be provided with Medicaid (healthcare). Without the stipends, fostercare would be in an even greater mess than it is right now. There are fabulous foster and adoptive homes out here and as we all know . . . there are homes that should never be permitted to have children.

    One way of adopting children is to become a foster parent in your county. Bio parents have 2 years (Adoption and Safe Families Act) to "fix" reasons why kids came into foster care. After that (and that too varies) the goal is supposed to be legally changed from reunification. . . to adoption. Another way to adopt is to look at available children through SWAN, (Statewide Adoption and Permanency Network) whose parents rights are already terminated, and that may be going to another state. It looks like that's what SH and JH did.
     
  3. WillenFan21

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  4. unsinkable

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    This seems plausible to me. Driving recklessly is a classic abuser move used to terrifying passengers. And maybe the driver just decided to end her life and take everyone else with her.

    It is so sad. I can't even comprehend the terror the passengers experienced.
     
  5. Eloise

    Eloise Well-Known Member

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    It says they did call? They were literally on the run from CPS, so it's not as if CPS were unaware there were issues.

    bbm
     
  6. Zelda1010

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    From that article.

    I want to check out the press democrat article. Iirc, WaPo said the boy asked his neighbors if they did call CPS. That read to me as "did you do it yet..." But it could still be "did you call? Because I really don't want you to...".

    We all know the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship is when the victim tries to leave. It appears it does not matter if the victim is a child or significant other. I don't know why that feels like a revelation to me.

    I do hope the two kids with a recent history of fear took it upon themselves to escape (bringing the youngest with them, somehow). I worry they were, all six, left in a remote location with a choice, perhaps, to make it on their own, "if you think it is so bad". Maybe D's sister S, the youngest, with no current obvious abuse, stayed in allegiance with her sister & brother, while the other three were too brainwashed to escape.

    I'm embarrassed to say I had to Google Thelma & Louise going off a cliff, but dang. It sure seems like Jen made a decision to keep on going, to keep the fantasy alive, in the face of reality knocking at their door. Moo.

    If they have any reason at all to believe those three might not have perished in the crash, I wish they would broadcast their most recent pictures & a plea for their safety. If they found some rainbow encampment or something.....
     
  7. kdg411

    kdg411 Verified Family Friend Destiny Butler

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    Do we know if the vehicle was traveling Northbound or Southbound?
     
  8. LonelyChild

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    I just don't like these poor kids chances. They seemed very malnourished and weak. I dont think the kids tried to escape what was happening.l they would be too weak you'd think to try to do that. I do think that best case scenario the younger three children are out there and Alive it's possible they planned an escape. The only reason I say that is cause the one boy kept asking neighbors for food. Maybe he was packing it away for when they ran away. Maybe sometime before Friday the kids took off and when cps showed up at the house the mothers panicked. This would give them a reason to drive the car off the cliff feeling it was the only way out still doesn't explain why they'd go all the way to California tho. It would also explain why the younger kids weren't in the car at the time of the wreck. I wonder if neighbors when they seen the family take off happened to see if all six Kids were present or just the three? Maybe LE knows but hasn't said yet to the public maybe that's why they are so sure the kids are somewhere in the water.

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  9. WillenFan21

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    I should have clarified better what i meant. I saw that they called but I meant there were clearly signs there (coming over for food, the girl jumping out of the window, noticing the missing teeth, the fact that they thought for her age she looked to be 7 years old) like they didn't call until the boy outright asked them. The things they saw before that should have been warning signs to them. JMO
     
  10. everybodhi

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    OT to OT-
    When we were talking about names for one of my daughters before her birth, a friend’s kid in the room said, “ I think you should name her Shallow, that’s a pretty name”.
    I still laugh when I think of it.
    I guess Felonie is pretty too, if you don’t know what it means.
     
  11. mrsu

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    I have a couple issues with the 90mph statement.

    1. From the tire tracks they showed, it definitely looks like the truck was stopped and then peeled out over the cliff.

    2. Had the car been going 90mph, I feel like it would have landed much further out from the cliff, possibly even in the water?!

    3. Has anyone considered that the kids might have been in the bed of the truck? It seems unlikely that 3 adult sized kids would be ejected from a 2 door truck with such small windows in the back. I know it could happen, but with only the kids being ejected, it makes me wonder. What if they pulled off to take in the scenery and parents encouraged the kids to jump in the back to enjoy the view and then bam, off the cliff??!


    EDITED TO ADD: Nevermind #3. The article I had read said they were in a pickup truck!! I didn’t realize it was an SUV so that makes my post sound crazy! Lol
     
  12. everybodhi

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    There were no tracks left by the SUV driver, according to LE.
    The tracks you are seeing are from when they pulled the truck back up over the cliff.
    A link has been posted, somewhere in this thread, where LE clarified the tire tracks.
     
  14. Stunned

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    With a shout out to adoptive parents who don’t do this I personally knew foster parent/ adoptive parent who did foster/adopt to improve home. Severe allergies.... replace carpet
    throughout entire house with wood floors..Child never let outdoors....complete Disney World backyard. I am not saying this is bad, I just am saying that I have known foster/forever families that did this to improve and support their lives.
     
  15. drama_farmer

    drama_farmer Central Kentucky (Bluegrass)

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    I suffer from chronic math avoidance syndrome, so I can't help with any calculations! I'm also questioning the 90mph final speed. Let's hope the SUV's "black box" can provide a more definitive answer.

    I'm thinking that if you imagine the SUV in a "barrel" roll as it left the cliff, that may account for its final resting position.

    I guess what I'm picturing is the vehicle heading off the cliff while nearly parallel (as opposed to perpendicular) to the edge. That would transfer any forward momentum laterally, causing it to roll down the cliff, making a number of contacts with the terrain, rolling and contacting the dirt/rocks all the way down, landing close to the bottom as opposed to "soaring" off the cliff into the sea.

    The only problem with that theory, of course, is the apparent lack of any evidence of a flipping/rolling SUV along the turnout area. MOO
     
  16. Eloise

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    Maybe but a) it's not their responsibility, ultimately. It was the parents responsibility and b) a lot of that you might assume would be some weirdness to be expected from traumatised foster kids; there have been posts in this thread saying their foster kids suffering trauma had some weird behaviours. When the kid asked directly they did what they were asked, a lot of people wouldn't even get that involved or just tell the kid to shoo when they asked for food. I don't think it's fair to blame the neighbors, who had no responsibility for these kids, to shoulder the blame that the parents themselves are responsible for.
     
  17. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    Thanks so much for posting. Is there anyway you can take a screenshot of this and markup where the suv went over and where found. I don’t see vehicle in the video.
     
  19. SugarQueen

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    I asked hubby about where the suv landed, speedometer stuck at 90. He pointed out if the driver had there foot on the gas AFTER the car went over the edge of the cliff the speedometer would jump up quickly. ( wheels in the air, no drag ). Hope that makes sense.
     
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    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    http://www.kptv.com/story/37852994/...r-pinned-at-90-mph-in-deadly-california-crash
    The speedometer in the car of a Woodland family who died in a crash on the California coastline was “pinned” at 90 mph, indicating to officers the vehicle was running and in motion just prior to hitting the rocks below, according to court documents.
    Court documents state California Highway Patrol investigators found no “acceleration marks, tire friction marks or braking furrow marks” at the scene.
    Investigators said there was no evidence the car collided with the embankment as it “traversed towards the tidal zone below.”


    http://www.kgw.com/article/news/loc...uv-pinned-at-90-mph-report-says/283-533859540
    “It was a very confusing scene because there were no skid marks, there were no brake marks," Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman said on March 28. "There was no indication of why this vehicle traversed approximately over 75 feet of a dirt pullout and went into the Pacific Ocean.”


    KPTV says it obtained the 12-page document after a search warrant was served at the Hart family home in Woodland, Wash.


    Animal control seized one cat, several chickens and ducks from the home, the Clark County Animal Control told KGW. The arriving officer said it appeared two dogs also lived at the home but were not present.
     
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