Deceased/Not Found Ca - Hannah,16 (fnd dec), Devonte,15, (dec nf) Ciera Hart,12 (fnd dec),mendocino Cty,26 Mar 2018 #7

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  1. AlwaysHopeToHelp

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    Being an adoptive mother myself, also through CPS, my child’s prior abuse history has ALWAYS been HERS to tell. I never once divulged her sensitive past as even an infant unless there was reason (doctors, social workers, intimate family). Even when I told those folks about it I never once did so IN FRONT of my daughter. You wouldn’t tell a stranger a detailed account of your best friends abuse so why the heck would you do so with your child?! This is attention-who**** at its finest. I feel awful for these precious kiddos! [emoji20]


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    Right because they had to create a hardship scenario in order to receive praise for "rescuing" the children and being amazing parents. They couldn't rely on regular parenting skills because they didn't have none!


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  3. rosemadderlake

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    To me, "their" Jen and Sarah's community are those who knew them, defend and support them, personally. And I gather they had a substantial presence and following on social media, too. But Jen, also made it a global thing. And she exploited Devonte especially.

    "They" identified with a certain group. That's fine. I'd be wondering the same things if they loved heavy metal festivals, interest of any music, entertainment, enjoying festivals, or various aspects of any community. I'd be wondering about the elements raised in the article and the publishing of children and the question of their rights. And the greater point is what seems innocent might not be so innocent. Those who knew them might know this better than anyone? Or didn't see it at all. Those who believed in their good nature feel betrayed?

    So the publishing, the usury aspect of this case is what is shocking. And as the details of this case have emerged, I see why so many of the videos, pictures, and writings (especially Jen's 2013 article) published give me the cringe feeling. There are also some that are just lovely, but very few.
     
  4. AlwaysHopeToHelp

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    The most genuine hero’s are the hero’s unspoken/untold. The fact is truly, my child is my hero - not the other way around. She made me a mother (my only child died in gestation - my ability to produce a biological child was slim to none). She also went through further abuse at the hands of my ex (her adoptive father) when he sexually assaulted her during visitations after divorce. This baby sat on the stand at 13yrs old and told her story and put him behind bars. I testified with far less Grace than she did and she not only testified to what happened but her impact statement was a sentence that stopped the courtroom in its tracks, “I love you and I hate that I love you, but I forgive you.” I struggle daily to find forgiveness - I admittedly don’t try hard. But this 13yr old has made huge strides to. So if anyone is a hero here - it’s her. She is amazing and I didn’t save her. She saved me! And I’ll NEVER EVER offer her story (heck even sharing what I have anonymously here was carefully devoid of detail).
    The paradigm of Devonte as a show pony for self-gratification is appalling and in humane. A rescue animal isn’t paraded even as much as this poor kiddo!



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  5. gcharlie

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    Oregon Live keeps updating their gallery of pictures related to this case.

    Here are a few pictures of Sierra with her biological father and paternal aunt. An earlier article on the legal efforts the aunt went through to keep the kids said that she had custody for 6 1/2 months ending in December 2006.

    Sierra was born in April 2006. In December 2006, she would have been 8 months old. I think she looks older than that in this picture,which would suggest that the family was still visiting with the children when they were in foster care.

    Any Texans here? If so, would you normally be dressing your baby in a sleeveless dress in December?

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  6. bluesneakers

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    After seeing perform in videos and pictures I agree. At first I thought it was fear but after seeing him other people, learning he wore the sign all the time, and photographs which were convincing but the more I saw the more obvious it was he was a model and actor. A good one.

    Same. The punishments these kids received (for things like having a penny!!) were cruel. I think they had to wear masks so they couldn't look around and be distracted or look at each other. Sensory deprivation is torture. One more level of cruelty and control.

    "Carrying out this type of torture makes the detainee lose personal identity through long periods of isolation."
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  7. bluesneakers

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    Good point about the fire. I didn't even think of that when 2017 was suggested as the date. But where was Hannah? Wouldn't her friends who saw the video ask? Although I'm sure she had an excuse.
     
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    She looks more like 12-24 months here imo.

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  9. sympatico

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    The weather in Texas varies immensely, so it is entirely possible that there was a warm enough December day for a sleeveless dress. That certainly doesn’t give me any pause, particularly knowing they were in the Houston area which is pretty southern. It can be 80 degrees in Texas in winter, and we don’t bat an eye.
     
  10. AlwaysHopeToHelp

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    Born and raised in Houston Texas. This is 100% true. It was 80deg out one day and the next day our entire city shut down due to ice! Lol


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    “If you don’t like the weather in Texas, just wait a minute.”
     
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    The week of Dec 6-12 in 2006, in Houston, temps were up to 77 degrees. And you could also slip a hoodie on over an outfit.

    I’d guess she looks 8-12 months in that picture. I have a 1year old (just turned). People either guess she is very young because of how tiny she is or older because she has so much hair.
     
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    Seriously, why make negative comments on the way she was dressed when you have no way of knowing the circumstances. It could very well have been a warm day, but why would you want to start a conversation about that anyway?

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    The fact that both of these people studied elementary education yet don't seem to have worked in that field stands out to me. No tales of either being a classroom assistant or anything. It made me wonder why and from the little we've been able to piece together about them, I have to wonder if, in their opinion, they simply knew better than The System. Not only did they know better, they would prove they knew better by taking these alleged badly broken children* and making them perfect. And that's all these 6 humans needing love and protection were to them - tools to prove they knew it all and were just the greatest. What was best for the children never seemed to enter into it ever. When I first read that they'd been spilling the alleged horrors of the children's circumstances to anyone who'd listen I was appalled. Doing that says all I need to know about those women.

    * I have no doubt some or maybe even all of the kids will have had issues stemming from their birth homes and displacement but the Harts' stories smell badly to me

    Edit: Oh and I noticed on the document Devonte is spelled both Devonta and Devonte. Is this a recurring typo or was his birth name perhaps Devontá? Like they changed Ciera to Sierra.
     
  15. AlwaysHopeToHelp

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    Agreed - plus it does appear that the family members pictured with the child are dressed similarly. I can only see anything to fuss about if all other adults were in hoodies and child sleeveless. That said I suppose someone who lives in a very cold climate WOULD look at us like freaks for being in daisy dukes and flip flops in December lol heck- this year we played in the water hose in December! [emoji23]


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  16. deugirtni

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    Forgive if already discussed.. too hard to keep ahead on the posts..
    Just wondering on the family's pet dogs..
    Is it possible the fam dropped the dogs off to a trusted friend/acquaintance to look after while they 'went travelling'? If so, how likely is it that those people wouldn't have come forward to say so, and explain what happened and when and what was said?
    It's weird to me that no dogs have been found.. but maybe it's not weird if it's too easy for little dogs to be carried away in the waters?
    Thoughts?
     
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    I am not so sure they didn't adopt for money. You also have the timeline a little wrong. Lee was fostered and dropped like a hot potato just before the first adoption. And, the abuse started soon after first set of kids were adopted. So, it's not like they got tired of taking care of 6 kids and so were abusing them. If they were so tired of taking care of 3 kids, why did they adopt the next 3? Summer 2004: The Harts take in a foster child named Lee. Then they later abandoned her the next Spring after they dropped her off at a therapist’s appointment, never to see her again. September 2006: Jennifer and Sarah Hart adopt siblings Markis, Abigail and Hannah. September 2008: According to a police report from Alexandria, Minnesota, Hannah, then 6, tells authorities that one of her mothers bruised her with a belt. Asked about the beating, Jennifer and Sarah Hart tell a police investigator and social worker the girl had fallen down the stairs. February 2009: Jennifer and Sarah adopt Devonte and two of his siblings — bringing their number of children to six. An article from Paper Trail, a New Zealand-based news outlet, describes his adoption. The article said by age 4, the boy had been abused, neglected, shot at and had endured other traumas.
     
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    Was it said that the photograph was taken in December 2006? Although the aunt may have had custody of the girl for a few months ending December 2006, reports have stated the kids were adopted in Feb.2009.. Sierra would have been 3.75years. To me she looks much older than 8 or even 12 months (look at the shoes?). Plus if the children were on the smaller side to begin with (not sure if that was the case?) It is very much possible, and very likely, that the bio fam could have continued visiting until closer to the time when the adoption process began, while the kids were being fostered (Does anyone know if the Harts were the first foster fam for these kids?).

    And PS, I don't think anyone was posting anything negative about the family by asking about being sleeveless in Texas in December. We should quit trying so hard to be offended here sometimes. jmo.
     
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    Yes, sleeveless in December in Houston area is very likely. We played outside in shorts on Christmas many a year. It can be VERY mild and humid.

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  20. Momoffourboys

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    You’re genuinely concerned for the well being of your child. Your intentions for adopting your child were genuine. You didn’t adopt and nor do you parent for praise or accolades. Unlike these two monsters who paraded these poor children around for photo opps and free hugs. Who were all too willing to share the kids’ stories and completely fabricate their history.

    You are a mom. Nothing about those two was “mom”.
     
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