Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #4

[whitelilac]

Regardless of which company collected the trash, and that it went through a transfer station, LE would not be searching a "specific" area of the trash in that landfill if they didn't have solid info that the H&F trash, from particular dates, was there.

 

[sk716]

BBM.

Is that even legal? What about fire regulations?!

It depends. If they are truly key only, the Fire Marshall would have noted it in the last inspection.

I wonder if you can get fire inspections with a FOIA request?

 

[sk716]

I don't think we know enough about how HP died (assuming LE is correct that she's dead) to say who might or might not be targets in a hypothetical future civil suit brought on BW's behalf.

But I'm pretty sure there won't be a suit (or certainly not a successful one) against the H&F for "extending BW's mental anguish" by requiring warrants. Claims of that sort (inflicting emotional distress type claims) require a defendant's action to be outrageous, extreme, and reckless.

H&F's actions were none of those things. It was entirely correct to require warrants for the security tapes and for many of the searches. And I am sure the LAPD knows that. And we don't really know how much delay, if any, was caused by the need for warrants. Certainly there was no reason to allow JW and HP's friends to roam around the building after the dog was returned to JW.

While it's been reported the dog was found within hours of HP leaving the game, he wasn't returned until many days after HP disappeared anyway. JW explained he didn't think about the dog's chip. Then according to JW, once he knew somebody had found the dog because of the chip (unclear how that worked exactly), he still waited 4-5 days to look at HP's phone and text messages to see where the dog was and who had him! That was a big delay that makes absolutely no sense IMO. I guess he was busy arranging to get full custody of BW? But until JW learned that the dog was at H&F, and until he conveyed that information to LE, LE had no reason to ask to search there anyway.
JMO

They were divorced, she had issues. He was doing just fine with custody without getting rid of HP. I think he took longer to notice because he's used to not seeing and talking to her all of the time. He's been pretty upfront and released anything that might be motive for him. I'll be surprised if it turns out he had anything to do with it.

 

[whitelilac]

They were divorced, she had issues. He was doing just fine with custody without getting rid of HP. I think he took longer to notice because he's used to not seeing and talking to her all of the time. He's been pretty upfront and released anything that might be motive for him. I'll be surprised if it turns out he had anything to do with it.

He did say in the PC that he talked to Heidi every day. He may have meant that to be a general statement I suppose.

 

[Satchie]

on another note I find it hard to believe that JS would be involved if this was just tied to the business. I mean he had to know everything would point to him since her name was literally on all the paperwork and I am not sure what her death would accomplish if he is still knee deep in illegal business practices. Unless of course this had to do with their personal relationship hmmmm IMO

this case kind of reminds me of the mcstays in that there r numerous people with a motive. my gut is it is tied to whatever was going on out of that building because she was possibly engaging in something unsavory there since her friends do not know her connection to it. All jmo

very sad a boy lost his mother.

I agree with your thoughts but would also add, in all these cases, I believe we are dealing with psychopaths. Ordinary (even if ordinarily greedy and fraudulent) people do not murder people and dispose of their bodies in landfills.

While there was a financial 'motive' for Charles Merritt to kill the McStays, who in h*** bashes in the skulls of two small children for the sake of a gambling debt, and wanting more money to waste at the casino.

So I think, rather than speculating whether someone has a motive, it's more important to ask whether someone shows signs of being psychopathic: having a previous criminal record, having unstable relationships, routinely manipulating friends and family, and so on. IMO, most people know whether they have a psychopathic boss, even if they can't put a finger on what it is.

The other issue is this is a case of a lone, attractive female, and they are sometimes the victims of a particular type of crime, usually sexually/emotionally motivated, as we surely know by now.

ETA: The other sure sign of a psychopath, IMO, is they carry on as though what they did never happened, even when police are sniffing very close to them. For eg, in the Gabby Petitito case, her boyfriend was probably not a psychopath, since it appears he couldn't face the reality and consequences of what he'd done.

 

[Curiosa20]

It’s safe to assume that most of these high density residential buildings have some amount of underground parking. In Seattle it is a big deal when developers try to build without parking because it is close to transit but this is LA; there is some kind of parking for these buildings, just because it doesn’t show up as public parking doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Check tax assessor records; usually there are drawings and you can also dig into permitting and it will show what has parking and where.

I googled underground residential parking near 1201 S Hope St- various parking options came up but this was the only one that showed as residential and underground..
All the RHD press release says is “several blocks”
from 1201 S Hope so it’s not defined.
I searched mostly out of curiosity as I’m trying to understand why her car was someplace else. She was striding along at what seemed to me to be a quick clip without her purse, phone, or keys in hand. That’s weird, as we have noted.
And why was that happening? JW said on Dateline that he did not find her work cell. Heidi seems to have been an ambitious business person. Was she lured there for something related to a transaction?
Did she get locked out of an apartment in some building and was looking for help from security at 1201 S Hope where they knew her well? Or was her stuff stolen while walking? Was she nervously looking up for that reason? Did she leave it in someone else’s car? Had she been up in The Building and back down to walk Seven when there is a dog run inside?
There’s no way she would leave her purse etc in her car in DTLA. And it’s bizarre to think she would leave everything- ID, credit cards, etc etc in an apartment unless it was vacant or she knew the people inside very well. MOO MOO

 

[cvaldez1975]

. Ugh, that is just so much ugh!

there is a supposed 5th victim who is a young black woman who disappeared from a motel room. she is not indentified or found that is known of, but these guys are suspected of it. sad.

 

[Curiosa20]

there is a supposed 5th victim who is a young black woman who disappeared from a motel room. she is not indentified or found that is known of, but these guys are suspected of it. sad.

Is this related to the two young women abandoned dead and dying at LA hospitals?

 

[cvaldez1975]

Is this related to the two young women abandoned dead and dying at LA hospitals?

no, i had linked in the original reply then the link was lost in replying. it was these guys (linked).

i mentioned it in relations to transfer stations (they put victims in dumpsters and one was found in transfer station), which is how it is related to this case (landfill) in case other members wonder why it was referenced.

i was mistaken, they did ID who the supposed 5th victim may be. i just remember when there was a drawing of her.

Missing 19-year-old Compton woman linked to serial killer, police say

 

[NCWatcher]

They were divorced, she had issues. He was doing just fine with custody without getting rid of HP. I think he took longer to notice because he's used to not seeing and talking to her all of the time. He's been pretty upfront and released anything that might be motive for him. I'll be surprised if it turns out he had anything to do with it.

I wasn't suggesting JW had anything to do with killing HP. I was responding to a post that suggested the H&F would be sued for various things ranging from wrongful death to inflicting mental distress on BW. The basis for the latter claim appeared to be that the H&F slowed the investigation by asking for a warrant before security tapes were turned over.

We don't know if anything the H&F did or didn't do is cause for a lawsuit. From other recent posts it sounds like their security is lacking. If I were paying tons of money to live there I'd be angry and believe the management breached its duty to me. But I'm not sure what sort of duty the H&F would have to visitors like HP.

Obviously there's alot we don't know about the case. But the only truly inexplicable delay that I know about was because of JW. I agree that since they were divorced he shouldn't know where HP was at every minute (although he seemed to know an awful lot.) But the last time he saw HP (at the game on Oct 17) she had her dog with her. JW says he reported her missing on the 20th, three days after she went missing. After that, he thought about the dog. Then the chip. But even after he got HP's phone on Oct 21, four days after she went missing, he admits he didn't look to see if anyone had left a message about the dog until Oct 25, eight days after she went missing.

New clues revealed in missing mom mystery from odd text to multiple phones

He had to know finding the dog was a logical step towards finding Heidi. So why the delay until Oct 25?

As I said before, one possibility is he was busy trying to get custody. Paperwork asking for full custody was filed with the court on Oct 26.

Ex-husband of Heidi Planck shares texts from their 11-year-old son as he is granted full custody | Daily Mail Online

JMO

 

[Curiosa20]

no, i had linked in the original reply then the link was lost in replying. it was these guys (linked).

i mentioned it in relations to transfer stations (they put victims in dumpsters and one was found in transfer station), which is how it is related to this case (landfill) in case other members wonder why it was referenced.

i was mistaken, they did ID who the supposed 5th victim may be. i just remember when there was a drawing of her.

Missing 19-year-old Compton woman linked to serial killer, police say

I remember the search for those young women. Very tragic.

 

[bears10]

Garbage in, garbage out.
About the “transfer station”…
It’s used for storing waste collected from household bins, not dumpsters used in multi family building or commercial locations. Separately I found a phone number to call the City of LA to ask who picks up waste at 1201 S. Hope; in case if someone would like to explore this conundrum, let me know.

CLARTS and Landfills
https://www.lacitysan.org/san/faces..._afrWindowMode=0&_adf.ctrl-state=v7xq80ahj_82

The contracted waste companies that pick up commercial and multi-residence trash have their own transfer stations, or pay to use one. I linked all of this info a few pages back lol.

 

[CharlestonGal]

Regardless of which company collected the trash, and that it went through a transfer station, LE would not be searching a "specific" area of the trash in that landfill if they didn't have solid info that the H&F trash, from particular dates, was there.

It could also be waste from the building where the RR was parked. If the RR was used to move her body, I'm sure LE knows it by now. The person/persons could have disposed of the RR and the body at the same location - the other building. jmo

 

[DAMages]

I always assumed that something happened to Heidi BEFORE the dog was found wandering around the hall. But that might not be true.

What if Heidi was incapacitated, or held by someone, who shooed Seven out into the hall fairly immediately in order that the dog would not interfere with whatever was going on or about to happen in the apartment? (eg. barking or protecting Heidi)

It's possible poor Heidi was still alive when that the couple found the dog and took him in.

It's so awful to think about a scenario.

Yes but why would anyone leave the dog out as evidence like that? Like a big arrow pointing to themselves? It's just never made sense to me.

 

[Ducky123]

Yes but why would anyone leave the dog out as evidence like that? Like a big arrow pointing to themselves? It's just never made sense to me.

I think the dog was an accident or mistake and it got loose.

 

[whitelilac]

Yes but why would anyone leave the dog out as evidence like that? Like a big arrow pointing to themselves? It's just never made sense to me.

Possible that there were 2 or more people involved, and that one of those persons took the dog down the fire stairs and let him go onto another floor. In their minds, at the time, maybe as an attempt to make it less suspicious than having the dog bark and make a fuss in the apartment. They may also not have wanted to kill the dog. Or he simply got loose and ran away.

I am still stuck on this time frame....dog found at 7, text message to BW at around 7, and Heidi being last seen in the alley at 6:30. Something very fast happened. Did Heidi text her son a minute or so before she entered into the apartment? (if she did)

 

[Keyedin]

Possible that there were 2 or more people involved, and that one of those persons took the dog down the fire stairs and let him go onto another floor. In their minds, at the time, maybe as an attempt to make it less suspicious than having the dog bark and make a fuss in the apartment. They may also not have wanted to kill the dog. Or he simply got loose and ran away.

I am still stuck on this time frame....dog found at 7, text message to BW at around 7, and Heidi being last seen in the alley at 6:30. Something very fast happened. Did Heidi text her son a minute or so before she entered into the apartment? (if she did)

The text thing is strange. Daily Mail published screenshots if texts to HP from BW that were allegedly attached to the court docs. Someone had to take these screenshots. Assuming it was JW, how did he not know about the text HP responded to on the 17th?

 

[Curiosa20]

The text thing is strange. Daily Mail published screenshots if texts to HP from BW that were allegedly attached to the court docs. Someone had to take these screenshots. Assuming it was JW, how did he not know about the text HP responded to on the 17th?

Yes, that bothered me, too. Never quite adds up, does it?

 

[JnRyan]

Yeah, about that...I am not sure if this is just sloppy and inaccurate reporting, or whether it is yet more of the almost never-ending inconsistencies being given by those talking to the media. The friends claim they were unaware of any connection Heidi had to H+F, but in another report, one claimed to have picked her up at H+F once at some point in 2020. Regardless of whether or not she knew the reason why, and since Heidi had a vehicle and they were supposedly friends, I would assume that she probably did know why, or if not, probably asked, but regardless, Heidi clearly, at least once, had a known connection to H+F. I am at the point where I take almost anything I read with a grain of salt, unless it is an official statement from LE. JMO

A friend claimed to have picked Heidi up there in 2020? That is the first I've heard of that in the media. Where was that reported?

 

[StarRemy8]

A friend claimed to have picked Heidi up there in 2020? That is the first I've heard of that in the media. Where was that reported?

Yes, she said that in an interview but that she didn't know why she was there...I have always found that super odd as you would clearly ask one of your best friends why they were there with no car and/or where their car was and vice versa just like you wouldn't call a friend and ask to be picked up without explaining why you were where you were and why you had no car/where your car was...I think the friend knows and maybe doesn't want to say publically. It was almost like she said it and then the minute they asked why she was there said she had no idea...but who knows....