CA - Instructor shoots pastor in gun safety class

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  1. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    Modesto Bee:

    Modesto pastor recovering from accidental gunshot in firearm-safety class

    RawStory:

    Firearms instructor accidentally shoots California pastor during gun safety class

    the rest at the links
     
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  3. LaborDayRN

    LaborDayRN New Member

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    :facepalm:
     
  4. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers Active Member

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    I'm sure it was an unintentional, but mistakes were made. A professional instructor should know better.

    I wonder what kind of release a student signs before taking the course.
     
  5. al66pine

    al66pine New Member

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    I'll quibble w some phrases the reporter and others used:
    1.'The gun went off.' Sorry, no, the person holding the gun pulled trigger & fired it.
    2. It was an "accidental discharge." Sorry, no, it was a negligent discharge w culpable carelessness.*
    From US Airforce website: "A negligent discharge occurs when a weapon is fired due to either operator error or a lack of attention to basic safety rules." bbm


    Not clear to me whether shooting occurred -
    - in a classroom setting (lecture, discussion, pencil & paper tests), or
    - at a range where instructor demo's positions, aiming, firing, & students practice gun handling & shooting.

    In classes I'm aware of, protocol in classroom, is like another instructor at link described:
    "... a live weapon should never have been in the classroom." (if shooting occurred in classroom)
    No real guns, no ammo. Only 'blue guns' (or similar trainers).*
    If shooting occurred at a range, still should not have happened (obviously, Captain Obvious).

    Are criminal chgs approp. against firearms instructor? Imo, the prosecutor should certainly consider filing. JM2cts.


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    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms)
    "A negligent discharge (ND) is a discharge of a firearm involving culpable carelessness. In judicial and military technical terms, a negligent discharge is a chargeable offence. A number of armed forces automatically consider any accidental discharge to be negligent discharge, under the assumption that a trained soldier has control of his firearm at all times.... This is the case in the United States Army,[SUP][4...."[/SUP]

    ** http://www.blueguns.com/default.asp?
    "A Safe Alternative to Live Firearm Training
    Ring’s Manufacturing crafts the most detailed, accurate and extensive line of “Firearm Simulators” on the market today. All of our products are inert detailed replicas of actual weapons designed for Law Enforcement and Military Training.

    Each product is made with strong, impact-resistant polyurethane with steel reinforcement. This prevents bending and flexing while maintaining the detail, handling and balance of the actual weapon they represent.
    Each gun is fabricated in "Law Enforcement Blue" - the most recognized safety color
    in the world. Ask for “BLUEGUNS ", a realistic & safe alternative to using live firearms in training situations
    ." bbm

     
  6. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    He should never had taken a loaded weapon into the classroom or wherever he was teaching. That was negligent. But I think it should be a civil suit and not a criminal charge, IMO>
     
  7. Hope4More

    Hope4More Well-Known Member

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  8. al66pine

    al66pine New Member

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    ^sbm
    Just a guess, but maybe like many other ppl, self defense, a handy skill if home-invaders barge into his house.
     
  9. Chuz Life

    Chuz Life Voluntary Investigator

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    As a safety concern, I would agree with you on that. However, in the world we live in today, if I were an firearms instructor? I would have to be fully armed at all times - just in case a student might be inclined to bring a real weapon to class with criminal intentions.
     

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