CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #13

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  1. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Let me take a guess at the answers. Lol!

    NO, NO, AND NO!
     


  2. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    His business partner was mysteriously vanished.

    Why would the device call log of your last message from him not be absolutely crucial?

    I can't imagine being in a sit down with law enforcement and not telling them about this.
     
  3. travelbug

    travelbug Injustice anywhere a threat to justice everywhere

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    BBM Those of you who are still confused about the phone calls really need to watch the expert testimony. @missy1974 had also posted a detailed report. Up to this point in the trial there has been no evidence that places Chase in Fallbrook at the time of Joey's last call (which expert testimony states originated in Fallbrook). It's time to focus on the evidence that hasn't been refuted by expert testimony. Because that is what the jury will hear. We may or may not like it, but that is where we're at.
     
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  4. Mony Mony

    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    IMO, the QB activity places him at the home in Fallbrook on the night of the murder. The tiny Fruedian slip that CM last talked to JM when he was standing at his desk places him in the home at the time of the murder.

    We do not have any evidence that places CM at home on the night of the 4th. Per CJs bugged phone call, the missed call came in on a Friday, which records confirm.
     
  5. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    I had a feeling it was your wonderful dry humor or one of your tongue in cheek posts . Lol!

    I imagine we are in store to hear a lot of gobbligook from the defense phone experts.

    Ya know the old drill of, ' it could have happened, it might have happened, but, imo, not one dab of real proof it DID happen just like the CM family said. That's the way it usually goes. Lol!

    I expect the state to ask them point blank on cross examination if they have irrefutable proof the call did come, and was displayed or are they merely speculating about this one mysterious last call from Joey and simply saying it might have happened..

    It will be interesting what the experts are willing to admit once under cross by the state. That's usually when the jury weighs their credibility imo.
     
  6. Trudie

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    dbm
    Sorry!
     
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  7. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    I respectfully disagree.
     
  8. Karinna

    Karinna Well-Known Member

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    Umm, there are 4 victims in this case. Joseph McStay, Summer McStay and their two little boys Joseph jr. and Gianni.
     
  9. mrjitty

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    I don't get your point here.

    There never has been direct evidence which places Chase in Fallbrook

    It is an inference based on

    1. The collapse of his alibi
    2. The video evidence
    3. The QB evidence
    4. His phone being dark during the most likely murder window
     
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  10. Mony Mony

    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    Not sure you are on the right thread. The victims were husband and wife and their two very young boys.
     
  11. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely.

    Even the presiding judge who has heard every bit of the evidence concluded there is a wealth of evidence pointing to CM as the murderer.

    I believe he listed some of the facts you have listed Mony, and much more.
     
  12. travelbug

    travelbug Injustice anywhere a threat to justice everywhere

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    BBM
    1. The time of Joey's last call has been known since shortly after the disappearance.
    2. Chase allowed Dugal full access to his phone and Dugal claimed there was no crime and no probable cause that would allow him to pursue further records.
    3. It was considered, by LE, and family to be a voluntary missing.
    4. This recap from the testimony from Dugal says it all:
    Detective testifies he found no evidence that McStay family was killed at home
    ..."Dugal said he decided to seek a search warrant to enter the home — he had no legal right to be there without one — and that he told the McStays’ extended family members not to disturb the house.
    He also said he did not give Joseph McStay’s mother permission to clean the home — she had gone in and tossed out old food and other items— before detectives could do a thorough search.
    “She called me while she was in the house, while she was cleaning,” Dugal testified during cross-examination by Merritt’s attorneys. “I told her to stop it.”
    Authorities initially suspected the family had traveled into Mexico after their car was found near San Ysidro and the case was transferred to the FBI in early 2013."...


    Tricia has told us we need to stop reposting the same things repeatedly. So, because I want the thread to stay open I won't repeat this information. I know @missy1974 and @Tortoise have also posted the testimony of Dugal.
     
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  13. oceanblueeyes

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    Mony, I agree, that was a big blunder CM let slip out.

    How would he have any idea where Joey was when he was inside his own home, and CM supposedly not there?

    For all he would know Joey could have been anywhere sitting, standing, or doing cartwheels or back flips at the time.

    The only way CM knew for sure is because he was also in Joey's office at the very same time.

    Imo
     
  14. travelbug

    travelbug Injustice anywhere a threat to justice everywhere

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    @missy1974 has posted the the expert testimony that refutes these statements. Perhaps she will respost them for us later.
     
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  15. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    Sorry - late getting back in here - I see you were discussing this:

    and from the timeline on January 29th:

    6:07pm – incoming call from CM 11 min
    7:35pm – incoming text from Summer
    7:55pm – incoming text from Summer
    8:58pm – incoming text from Summer
    9:13pm to 9:18pm calls between Joey and Allen
    9:27pm – call to CM 1 min
     
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  16. Tortoise

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    Thanks Niner. That should read Jan 29th.

    I think this also highlights the difference between Joey's and Chase's different phone companies' records, where it states call duration on Joey's phone of 1 min, it states duration of 0 min on Chase's records. I think this must be because it was less than a minute and T-Mobile rounds it up to the next minute.

    We also saw that with the 5.48 call which lasted 2 min 38 secs and was shown as 3 mins on Joey's records.

    The T-Mobile records witness didn't appear to know this.

    JMO
     
  17. KALI

    KALI Well-Known Member

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    Is there court today?
     
  18. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    Whew.... caught it in time to change it! :) Thanks!

    yes - there is supposed to be court today. I see it is already about 10:30am PT.

    I have a note in my stuff saying early finish.
     
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  19. missy1974

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    What I am asking though is when did they say it? In 2010 or 2013 or 14? I'm still not clear on this. And if cathy said it back in 2010, why would she think it wouldn't be on the call records and would need to keep proof?
     
  20. missy1974

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    I wish they had asked Mike about that. Jmo
     
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