CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #19

uhmmm no one has heard this and posted it????

At around the 24:00 mark, he says that the truck would have had to have been 1 foot underground to have matched the video. McGee asks him, so the only way that the truck can match the video is for it to be underground, should it be excluded? Rudin: Yes.


ETA: Oops forgot to say Part 2.

 

Thanks Missy. I know about them asking about MM being at CFA. I distinctly recall someone asking about the 4th. I thought how uncanny is this? Could he have driven by his brothers house not realizing what was to come or what had already happened? Also recall that MM said he could have been in the area or near the area for a job?

 

I believe lms was asking for irrefutable evidence. There is none.

 

Wow! So Rudin excluded CM’s truck?

 

Totally agree. DK wasn't a loyal friend, IMO. Nor was the defendant.
But I do think Joey had a cadre of loyal friends.
They just weren't in business with him.
Many of them posted on the boards back in the day.
Yes, we have no way of knowing if DK made more threats.
But the same could be said for the defendant.
Who knows if he threatened him?
We do know that the defendant told LE if he was gonna kill anyone it would be DK.
What is your take on why he would say this?

 

That's subject to interpretation. Of course the DT is going to say there's no irrefutable evidence and likewise the PT will say the opposite. I don't think there can be a flat yes or no answer to the poster's question.

 

you said:

"Hard to say. But CM never made any threat to Joey, physical or otherwise."


How do you know that ^^^for a fact?

Maybe CM stood over a bound and gagged Joey, and threatened to make him watch his wife and babies die a brutal death?

We have no idea if CM ever threatened Joey or not.

We know he stole checks from Joey and forged his name, and cashed them to the tune of thousands of dollars.

If Joey had found out , when the first checks began clearing Joey's bank, around the day that Joey went missing, would he confront Chase?

If so, would Chase threaten him? I think he would not only threaten him, but he would carry out his threats to the extreme. JMO

 

Right, says the expert fired by the Prosecution, about the expert who replaced him.

My Dad was a defense attorney. I learned a lot from my Daddy, and one thing I learned was that you can ALWAYS find a paid expert to testify to what your client needs. Always.

 

And Rudin never noticed that previously when he first testified that CM's truck matched?

 

So this was in reference to the defense counsel McGee, right?
I'm trying to imagine the day when Imes is called by God and promptly screams: "Objection!"

 

Joey and Chase spoke several times a day. He considered Joey his best friend. If I knew someone was threatening my best friend it would make me very angry, especially if I had any reason to believe that person caused my friend to "disappear". jmho

 

oh cmon, was he fired or was he just not called because he did more calculations and found that it excluded the truck? There is a big difference there IMO Of course the prosecution was not going to call him after he found that the truck would have to be 1 foot in the ground to match the video! I just got to the part where he requested to do a live reprojection (?).... he found out that they had the truck still and that the camera still existed, he could place the camera in the exact same spot and guide a driver to the exact same spot on the street. The prosecution said no and they didn't have time! <<<< I wonder how the jury feels about the "time" thing with all the time off they have had? He said it would have taken an hour or 2 to do. His analogy... someone says it's raining, someone else says it's sunny... why do the math if you can just open the door and look?

 

BBM
This ^^^^ 110%

 

Yep.Battle of the egos and the experts. I can't help but wonder after all these months if the jurors will spend time on this? I would be focusing on every word from the defendant's mouth. And, month's of observing him in the court room. And, CJ's testimony which is big, IMO.
I am all about keepin' it real. MOO.

 

Nope, he did more calculations after the 402 hearing, within a week he said. He was asked if he informed the prosecution... obj/sustained. Asked if he was told to stop working? ojb/sustained. Asked if he was called as a witness to testify? objection and the judge said 'I think it's obvious' lol

 

Really, are we writing a novel or are we stating the facts of this trial and the evidence, pro or con, for sending a man to death row. jmo smh

 

That statement could easily be applied to Liscio in this scenario as well. IMO

 

But keeping it real.... if that is NOT Merritt's truck, isn't important to know who's vehicle it was? or if it was the McStay's leaving in one of their own vehicles?

 

Exactly, and they had a falling out and DK even tells JM he doesn't hate him.
And besides in the end they came to an amicable agreement. And DK did attract the customers to JM's business through the website, and DK and JM got upset with each other about it all. It sounds from the transcript posted up that DK didn't feel appreciated for how he had helped JM establish the business.
It happens with people who are in business together, and i remember my husband saying years ago "business and friendship aren't a good mix", and i believe that is true. Keep those things separate.

 

Ok... my favourite quote from Rudin so far...

The 3D scan (of the truck) looks worse than Los Angeles with the holes, the potholes LOL