CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #19

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  1. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    I 100% agree with this.

    It's the centre of the case. If the defence cannot explain the deleted backdated PM cheque on the 5th, everything falls apart for them, because it proves Chase already knew Joey was dead.

    As you say, the problem was he couldn't delete the activity log in QB.

    He needed all the cheques to be created before the 5th, to fit with the story he told Dugal. Backdated to the 5th wasn't good enough.

    It's that greed that sinks him.

    And ironically if he hadn't backdated the cheques - the case against him would be far weaker.
     
  2. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Imo, none of us really know why all of the jurors wanted to see CMs truck.

    It very well could be for the same reason the S. Peterson jury wanted to see his fishing boat.

    As they were standing there looking at CMs truck it is very reasonable, and totally logical they were sizing the truck up to see if it was the death transport vehicle which transported the 4 dead victims to the desert.

    Those images were in these jurors mind just like it was with the SP jury when they looked at the boat that transported Laci, and Connor's dead bodies to the bay. Imo.

    Imo, we sometime assume juries want to see certain pieces of evidence for ONE particular reason only. Then it comes out after the verdict they had other reasons for doing so.

    As far as the dueling experts jurors usually do not base their verdict by relying on experts. If there are opposite opinions, which always happens, then the jury doesn't really have anything reliable one way or the other so it becomes garbage in..garbage out. Imo.

    Whatever Rudin says is not going to save CM. Imo.

    Imo, What they will determine their verdict on are CMs statements throughout. His whereabouts. CMs illegal activity during the times in question, and the evidence showing he was inside of the home on the 4th. CM calling trying to shut Joey's QB account down pretending to be Joey McStay. JM had not been heard from since the 4th, and was never heard from again. The jury now knows WHY they all went silent on the 4th. CM having no verifiable alibi during all of the times in question. He cant even come up with any documentation like was presented concerning DKs whereabouts, and DK is not even the one on trial.

    The alternative accounting made up out of thin air will be insulting to the jury's intelligence based on all the other evidence that has presented to them.

    That unfounded assumption is totally illogical, and an unreasonable conclusion without merit based on the unethical illegal practices of Merritt. That's as ridiculous as a banker giving a bank robber a key to the bank, and code to the bank vault then telling the robber but don't rob our bank.

    So I think the state has the important evidence on their side, and the verdict will be unanimous.

    That is if the jury ever gets to weigh all of the evidence sometime this year.

    JMO
     
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  3. Tortoise

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    It was quite odd listening to yesterday's testimony. McGee was at some points quite hostile towards Rudin I thought. I've heard of a hostile witness before but not really hostile counsel towards a witness who is testifying for them. I suppose it might have to do with not accepting parts of his work and treating him more as an independent witness for the court rather than a defence witness.

    JMO
     
  4. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    All of it comes back to one reasonable conclusion. Only one! Imo

    CM was the only one who knew they had disappeared on the 4th never to be returning! All of his actions, statements to family members/ business contacts, staging efforts, and stalling alerting others shows this to be true!

    Only CM knew this, and the only way he would know this is HE knew HE was the one who had eradicated all four by murdering each one.

    His own illegal actions before, on the very 4th and afterwards shows this to be true.

    Imo, the DT has failed to successfully address the most important evidence against CM.

    It's easy to understand why they have sidestepped the most damaging evidence against CM. Imo, they simply can't do so. So instead they put up smoke, and mirrors meant to distract.

    In the end of the defense case CM still has no iron clad alibi. None. They have not successfully addressed why CM was the only one inside of the McStay home on the very day they were murdered.

    They failed to even put DK in Fallbrook much less at the murder scene.

    But the state has entered powerful of evidence showing WHO was there, and have shown what the defendant was illegally doing once he had removed all obstacles standing in his way to a dead man's money.

    His own actions/manipulation words scream Guilt. Imo.

    That is why I continue to SMH about some believing this case is complex. .This is NOT a complex case for the jury to figure out. It's all there plain as day who did these murders, and why CM did so.

    Jmoo!
     
  5. Tortoise

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    Very nice. Add in his cell phone in the desert, evidence Joey's signature was forged on cheques from the 2nd, changing his calling and visiting patterns, and deceiving the family, and tie it up with a bow.
     
  6. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    They are human too. Sometimes they are just hostile because they are hostile. Don't like the guy. Don't feel good. Got in a fight with the wife that day. Whatever. Lawyers are human.
     
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  7. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    If the jury even weighs opposing image experts they will combine it with what has already been presented to them.

    The state has placed CM inside of the McStay home on the 4th the date of the murders.

    So is it a reasonable conclusion to believe... knowing CM was inside their home on the 4th, the day of the murders .. that the truck seen leaving their home on the same date as seen on the camera footage belonged to CM?

    Imo, the reasonable conclusion is YES! Especially with the jury knowing all 4 bodies were removed from their home omitting the possibility CM came, and left on foot.

    Imo
     
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  8. Tortoise

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    I don't know if that's the case here, did you listen to it? At times he's laughing and then at others he's hostile/aggressive with his questions. It seemed to be tactical rather than just because he's human.

    JMO
     
  9. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    No, I didn't listen to it. You are probably right, just wanted to point that out because until recently I really hadn't given it a lot of thought.

    In the last trial I did the prosecutor was a pompous as$. He got under everyone's skin like you would not believe. There were a couple of times when that definitely came out on the witness stand or in interactions between attorneys. A couple of witnesses were so bothered by him the other prosecutor just questioned them instead.

    So maybe it was just a tactic or maybe he just doesn't like him. Or maybe his illness is psychological. Who knows. I just hope it's over soon!
     
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  10. Meemaw12

    Meemaw12 Well-Known Member

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    Don’t forget:

    Chase Merritt said he was the last person to see Joey.

    Doesn’t get any clearer than that.

    Let the excuses begin!!!

    IMO JMO MOO
     
  11. smr

    smr Former Member

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    And some are afraid of DK being looked at.
     
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  12. Tortoise

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    Then again it could just be me though. I like Dr Rudin and the impression I get is he's an impartial witness.

    Actually I liked Stutchman too. :)
     
  13. Force Ten

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    This premise is laughable.
     
  14. smr

    smr Former Member

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    It's not a premise. It's a conclusion.
     
  15. Karinna

    Karinna Well-Known Member

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    Like whom? Why would anyone be afraid of that when he was investigated by LE and co operated with the investigation?
     
  16. Longtimenoc

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    What gets me is he nor CJ had any recollection what so ever of their memories and activities of the night of the disappearance when asked a little more than a week later. Meritt simply claimed to not remembering a thing, CJs story kept evolving.

    This is impossible, of course a person would reflect on their activities on the night of such importance! Every minute of such a day would be detailed in a persons mind and then offered to those searching for the missing family.

    Merritt was so convinced that he had gotten away with it and thus so confident during his interviw that he felt it wasn't necessary to offer an explanation. With the bodies safely hidden and after his masterful job of throwing everyone of track he felt completely safe. He had no need to even construct a story since he felt San Diego LE believed him and would probably never get questioned again.

    I hope the prosecution drives this home in closing arguments.
     
  17. Force Ten

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    BBM. Did they though? We don't know the real reasons he was discarded, but a lot assumptions have been made.
     
  18. Karinna

    Karinna Well-Known Member

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    I thought it was because they wanted a Faro expert?
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  19. Force Ten

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    Yes, remembered about arguing the whole weekend about why or why not Chase didn't pick up the call, yet nothing about why CJ was trying to get a hold of CM the night of the 4th. Anyone recall where she said she was if not with Merritt?
     
  20. wary

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    In my opinion, you’re right. The defense IS afraid of DK being looked at—hence, their pathetic story of ‘we really really wanted to call him to the stand, but we just couldn’t FIND him!’ And his girlfriend, who they just sort-of forgot about. If I remember rightly, they didn’t even try to say that they couldn’t find her.
     
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