CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #2

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  1. Mony Mony

    Mony Mony Well-Known Member

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    Oh gosh, if the prosecution puts that crack pot on the stand, they are finished. Nothing good can come from that.
     
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    geevee Registered Stickie

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    Same here Missy, also looking forward to hearing from the people Joey talked to at Union bank on his two calls.
     
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  3. InspectorGadget

    InspectorGadget Active Member

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    I don't know Quickbooks but do you think they have switched the cheque numbers because surely the computer would print 4092 before it prints 4093
    I don't think he was lazy, he was just going by the letter of the law regarding warrants etc.
     
  4. Force Ten

    Force Ten Well-Known Member

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    Going back, knowing JM made the calls, I wondered the same. What was the content? Unfortunately it's doubtful the person would remember.
     
  5. Sharyne

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    Thank you so much. I remember Joey spoke a lot to one of his suppliers, but forgot the name.

    I would think the state would have one of their financial/accountant investigators examine the QB and any financial statements. Finances can be very complicated.

    Regarding Joey answering his phone on the way home from Summer, wasn't there something about Joey going to pick up some prescriptions or medications?
     
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  6. Sharyne

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    Tortoise, THANK YOU very much for transcribing the OS!!!
     
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  7. minusfour

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    Another thank you to Tortoise, and Emi, for the transcription and tweets.

    I've been reading about this case for so long, I really thought I had a good handle on the facts, but I'm finding that not to really be the case.

    Was the 47K that CM owed Joey due to remakes of poor work, rather than overpayments? What was the cheque for $100 to CM for? And-Joey telling CM about the 47K-do you think he meant to somehow be reimbursed for this money, do you think he wanted CM to do work to that amount, or do you think it was the bitter end between the two men-as far as Joey was concerned. (We know what CM concluded, his actions shout it) I know there has been some who felt that Joey was firing CM during the lunch meeting, was this due to the shoddy work, or the stolen cheque, or both? If that were the case, do you think Joey was writing off the 47K? (And, if that were the case, why more phone calls?)
    Thank you in anticipation of your help!
     
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  8. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    Thursday, January 17th:
    *Trial continues (Day 8) (@ 9:30am PT) - CA - McStay Family: Joseph (40), Summer (43), Gianni (4) & Joey Jr (3) (Feb. 4, 2010, Fallbrook; found Nov. 11, 2013) - *Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt (57/now 60) arrested (11/5/14) & indicted (11/7/14) of 4 counts of murder with special circumstance; plead not guilty. DP case.
    12 jurors & 6 alternates were finalized on Tuesday (12/11/18). 8 women & 4 men, while the alternates include 4 men & 2 women. Dec. 19 hearing will focus on evidence & details about possible jury visits to the both the desert grave sites & the McStay family home in Fallbrook. Trial to start 1/7/19.
    1/7/19 Day 1: Judge will allow live stream of trial. Judge gives jurors initial instructions. Judge not happy with the number of cameras in the courtroom. Opening statements are done. Trial continues 1/8.
    1/8/19 Day 2: State witnesses: Susan Blake (Joseph's mother). Michael McStay (Joseph’s brother). Trial continues on 1/9.
    1/9/19 Day 3: Prosecutor tells the judge Mike McStay doesn't want to be shown on camera today. Judge denies request. State witnesses: Jennifer Michley (or Mitchley), former Fallbrook neighbor of the McStays, she is now from out of state. Michael McStay. Trial continues on 1/10.
    1/10/19 Day 4: State witnesses: Michael McStay (subject to recall). Bruce Carter, He was security for the San Jacinto Shopping Center mall where the McStay's Isuzu Trooper was towed from on the Mexico Border town of San Ysidro. David Jackson. Jackson worked for the last witness. He was a security guard at the parking where vehicle was owed from. Kathleen Conwell, in 2010 she was an animal control officer for San Diego County. Sgt. Michael Tingley, San Diego Co. Sheriff's Office. In 2010, he was a patrol deputy for the Fallbrook area. Trial continues on Monday, 1/14. Will be dark on Fridays.
    1/14/19 Day 5: State witnesses: Jeffrey "McGyver" McCargar (he was friends with Joseph & Summer. He introduced them). Det. Troy DuGal, from San Diego Sheriff's office. Tomorrow 1/15 trial will go from 9:30am to 12 noon, as a juror has an appointment.
    1/15/19 Day 6: State witness: Ret. Detective Troy DuGal. Trial continues on 1/16.
    1/16/19 Day 7: State witnesses: 7: State witnesses: Det. Troy DuGal. Denys Williams, a forensic evidence technician for San Diego County, now retired, since 2014. Trial continues on 1/17.
     
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  9. italianbella

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    I just have a hard time believing he had enough time to do this with out anyone's help.

     
  10. Tortoise

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    I think it's possible they were individually put through the printer by hand, which could allow for any sequence of printing.

    There was so much camera interference there are parts of the opening speech that we missed. In particular at one point he says to the jury wtte 'remember I told you Merritt tells investigators Joey took him some cheques, but he was already printing cheques before that' - that section is missing from the Law & Crime video.

    What I have been able to put together from the OS about the cheques is as follows:

    Joey's top cheque serial number on the chair in the office was #4245

    These are the cheques Merritt printed and deleted in the ledger (as per the OS) - not incl. the $4000 cheque printed at the McStay residence on 4th)

    Feb 1st
    #4093 $2500 (not cashed or deposited - not even sure if this one was deleted because he points out that the 2nd one was)
    #4092 $2500 (not cashed or deposited)

    Feb 2nd
    #no info
    $0
    #no info $2495 (cashed Feb 2nd at Union Bank - clears Joey's bank Feb 4th)

    Feb 5th (all backdated to Feb 4th)
    #4094 $no info Metro Sheet Metal - held onto until March by bookkeeper
    #4095 $no info Metro Sheet Metal - ditto
    #4096 $6506 (not deposited or cashed - I think the pros possibly makes an error later calling this #4097)
    #4097 $2350 (deposited - again I think the prosecutor maybe makes an error later calling this #4098)

    Feb 8th (backdated to Feb 4th)
    #no info $no info (deposited on Feb 9th)
     
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  11. mrjitty

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    DuGal testified he personally delivered the Quickbooks material to the financial investigation team by hand.
     
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  12. mrjitty

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    I guess the cheque number is printed from the QB data and not on the cheque blank?

    Also JM was doing cheques from the other QB account, so it makes sense they are not in sequence.
     
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  13. mrjitty

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    I am trying to understand this as well but I don't know where to look in the McStay forum.

    As far as I can understand one scam CM had going was not to pay the suppliers and then JM would have to pick up the tab
     
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  14. Tortoise

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    I think it makes more sense that the serial numbers are already on the cheque. If you look at the two printed on Feb 2nd there is no serial number given but the ones printed on 5th follow on from the ones printed on the 1st. So he must have taken them out of order.
     
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  15. mrjitty

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    But then how does the QB cheque number relate to the cheque blank number? or is the cheque number data that the user enters by referring to the blank?

    be interesting to know the process

    I had assumed QB just printed out the whole cheque - i had not realised there were blanks
     
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  16. Tortoise

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    The top cheque on Joey's chair was already numbered.
     
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  17. mrjitty

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    Yeah - from what i understood of the Prosecution opening, JMs data does tend to suggest he was heading home.
     
  18. mrjitty

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    I thought DuGal's testimony was overall not too bad. He was limited in what he could do.

    The huge error is the potential blood spatter on the table.

    But the key is, when this becomes a proper murder investigation, its different teams and a different level of professionalism.
     
  19. mrjitty

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    This is a key piece of Dugal testimony because he said it did not belong to the any of the detectives or specialists

    Someone was using it to illuminate surfaces

    The implication will be that someone cleaning up a crime scene used it to look for blood, then forgot it.

    IMO it is a huge red flag that light.
     
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  20. asyousay

    asyousay Well-Known Member

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    Just Reading old articles and is this true does anybody know?

    I don’t remember reading that before on here. I am just wondering where Patrick got that information from?!
     
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