CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #20

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  1. fridaybaker

    fridaybaker Well-Known Member

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    Sorry for this OT, but I can't remember right now: How do I find the non-trial McStay threads? Can anyone help?

    Okay sorry, found them!
     
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    fridaybaker Well-Known Member

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    Karinna Well-Known Member

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    No problem FB. If you click on that link you will see the Private Forums header at the bottom of the page and if you click on that it will take you to the previous threads.
     
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    TJtennispro Well-Known Member

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    If you like I can text Vinnie tomorrow and ask him how long he thinks they will deliberate. I’m his sons private coach for its in my username.


     
  6. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Nobody can predict a jury.
     
  7. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much. It would be interesting to know Vinnie's take on it.

    Imo
     
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    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    True, MsF. I've seen verdicts in murder trials returned very quickly.. even less than an hour, and then some take days or weeks.

    Imo, I think this one will take a few days, but that's just a guess on my part of course. I base it on the evidence presented by both sides arent really complex issues to wade through, but there is quite a bit of it to go through especially from the state.

    Imo, at the beginning of deliberations they will do a poll to see where everyone stands, and will go from there. I think those results will be how quickly or not they will return a verdict.
    From my experience they will take polls periodically keeping up with where they each stand on any day of deliberations.

    I do remember in the CA death penalty trial of pedophile/murderer, David Westerfield, the jury was out for 13 days before rendering a guilty verdict. It took them far less time, iirc, to sentence him to death.

    Most death penalty trials I've followed the average seems to be from a few days or a week or so.

    Imo
     
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  9. mrjitty

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    Yes - that makes a lot of sense and is essentially what I do on every project I manage as well, as you don't want the costs side to be a black box.

    I suspect it is because initially Joey lacked the skill set on the fabrication side so simply sought a more JV type relationship where his production costs were capped at 65% and he didn't have to handle any of that aspect.

    It seems that approach didn't work well, so he took over the costs base - which is a good move because it enables you to focus on margins which is important once you are doing lots of jobs.
     
  10. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    Good morning MrJitty!

    I very much agree with you on why Joey gave so much control to CM at first due to Joey's lack of knowledge on the production end of the projects.

    I also believe Joey was becoming much wiser when it came to protecting his business interest. Imo, that is why he removed CM from doing all metal works, and hired MSM instead to do the major production of the waterfalls. It gave Joey much more control. It does show little by little he was gathering more business knowledge he needed.

    It's tragic that Joey never got to see what his new profit margin could have been in the future by making much wiser business decisions.

    Imo then he would have realized more, and more he had made the right decision by taking CM out of the equation.

    To most business owners their good reputation is everything. It all starts, and ends there. Imo

    One bad actor connected in anyway to the business owner can have disastrous results. Especially for someone as honest as Joey. I wish he had awoke to the facts much sooner about CM... realizing he was much more of a liability than he had ever been an asset.

    Joey was constantly trying to clean up the messes, and put out 'fires' CM had created. Joey knew if he had not done so it would reflect badly on his own business reputation.

    Imo, CM the conman knew this all too well, and used Joey's integrity, and honesty to his advantage.

    Not only does my hubby gets quotes from several self employed welders, but they must show him each, and every time they remain in good standing with the proper current licenses, certifications,, and insurance is all up to date. He keeps all of these documents in every individual project folder.

    He said the quickest way to spot an unethical sub if they do not produce any of the documents he requires, and instead starts making excuses hemming, and hawing why they can't produce them when asked.

    He has a long list to choose from since the welding business is one of the most sought after professions. Many projects requires the welder to be certified.

    The ones on his list that didnt pass muster he crosses off the list notating the reason.

    He does this for himself of course, but also for other businesses, or private customers when they contact him, and he is too busy at the time to do it himself like they wanted.

    He wants to make very sure he only recommends other ethical self employed welders who will do a great job for them.

    There are truly so many facets a business owner must take consideration. Even those they recommend can have an indirect result on one's own business reputation.

    Jmoo
     
  11. missy1974

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    I haven't answered the question yet :confused: I am curious how many have actually watched/listened to all of the trial though? I will maybe go vote after closing arguments. IMO the prosecution needs to pull it all together in a logical, not over reaching, way. Also, IMO, they need Daugherty to do it.

    We have heard so very little about the jury in this case, the odd time we got a tweet that they were taking notes or that they were attentive, but not much info on them at all. This is one case that I don't think I will be surprised by anything... one day deliberations, 20 days deliberations, guilty, not guilty, hung jury... it will be interesting to follow this case afterwards regardless of the outcome, whether it's appeals, if they try him again, how the prosecution does it next time (it can only be better IMO lol), or if by chance he is acquitted, if he talks afterwards. I am leaning towards a hung jury, but again, want to wait until closing arguments :)
     
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    A few days ago there was an article posted on our local FB page and of the 50+ comments not one person conveyed that they thought he wasn't guilty. Granted, I have no idea if any of the people have followed the case and/or the trial but thought it was interesting. There was one person who said she was called for jury duty but was excused due to having young children. True? Who knows. Lol
     
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    Missy, why do you think Daugherty should do it? I love Ms. Rodriguez...
     
  14. smr

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    rsbm

    Maybe only those people had a reason to post on that local FB page.
     
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    smr Former Member

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    Mr. Imes will raise objection to either.
     
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  16. mrjitty

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    Good evening!

    Yes I agree on all points.

    I think the other thing that drove his thinking was the need to become scalable.

    Doing everything thru Chase obviously could not scale. Too artisan. Using a genuine fabricator was the first step towards jobbing out the production each time.
     
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    I think they may split it up.

    Daugherty is OK but I think at times he doesn't hit the nail on the head.
     
  18. la2cabo

    la2cabo Well-Known Member

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    Mr. Jitty, do you think the 65/35 split was even a real thing? As far as I remember it was the defense who manipulated the numbers in an effort to explain Merritt's thieving. From what I remember the splits weren't cut and dry but were a convenient way to justify how Merritt was entitled to certain monies. Hope this makes sense. Lol
     
  19. Curious Cactus

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    IMO prosecution needs to tell it as a story and keep it simple. A graphic would help too. Tell them this is what happened! This jury is ready to go home. It will be very short when then deliberate.
     
  20. mrjitty

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    Yes - I think they were real in terms of calculating the overall payments on the job.

    i think the problems in production were different - but we are not privy to much info about what led to MSM becoming involved.
     
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