CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #6

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  1. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    Probably because it wasn't 1 of 27000 files accessed within minutes of that bookmark being accessed. I believe the EnCase report Schroeder looked at during the break from the FBI had more detail. (this testimony is found at the end of part 1/beginning of part 2 from yesterday)
     
  2. Niner

    Niner Long time Websleuther

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    I have him testifying on Wednesday - Day 18 per post #1281 - did he continue his testimony yesterday too?
    I only have Hanke as testifying yesterday....

    [​IMG] just want to keep it straight on my notes! :)
     
  3. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Yes. You wondered about a 'missing laptop' because they implied there was one. There might not even be one, or if there is one, it might be irrelevant. But it doesn't necessarily mean there is a laptop being hidden by the prosecution. JMO :-]

    And the knife thing was not just us 'hearing it incorrectly.' That was purposely worded in such a way, as to make it sound like there was a knife, found buried in the grave. Pretty slick....JMO

    I do agree with you that both sides are playing this game though. :-[
     
  4. Tortoise

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    Ok thanks I'll wait to comment until I've caught up with watching testimony.
     
  5. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    You are right, he may have had a legitimate reason. But he also may not have, we won't know until we see the evidence. I can see him having access to incoming emails, I can't see him having access to whatever Joey did with those emails, but maybe he did!
     
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    sorry... it's late here... it would be your Wednesday LOL
     
  7. missy1974

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    IIRC after he asked about the laptop with the user Giuseppe Black (still not sure if it was black lol), he again asked "but you didn't know the FBI reports existed before he did his reports?" So I assume it's not really "missing". I sure hope not :eek::eek: lol He mentioned the fbi reports a lot... I hope we get to hear more about them since they probably have way more info in them.
     
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    In the procedure I am familiar with (which may be different) a High Court Judge would do a summing up to the jury.

    It's quite a difficult area due to the right to silence. Ordinarily adverse comment cannot be made on failure of the accused to testify.

    However I believe where the accused "speaks thru his attorney mouthpiece" - in essence the defence is asserting knowledge of the content of the conversations without placing the evidence before the Court.

    So in such case I think the Judge could note in summing up that no such evidence as to the content of the conversations was produced, and the jury should therefore take note accordingly - provided he does not stray into making an adverse comment on failure of accused to testify.
     
  9. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    We have to be so careful with this kind of hearsay

    He may have been referring to email conversations he was copied in
     
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    Yes it's done differently in the States. Each side does a closing speech and then the judge instructs the jury on legal matters but he doesn't sum up the evidence.
     
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    At the end of the day, the Judge is responsible for procedure in his Court room and has lots of tools at his disposal to make sure matters are placed into evidence and not speculated into existence. Lots of this can happen in chambers and sidebars.

    Of course there are dark arts where defence attorney can paint narratives somewhat beyond the scope of the evidence. This is the advantage of going second.

    But my feeling is that like Justice Masipa in Pistorius, this is a weak and lazy judge, who isn't enforcing much legal rigour

    One aspect of this is why the hell are so many interlocutory matters over admissibility happening on the fly.
     
  12. jackiekenn

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    YES I remember this testimony clearly also he sent 3 email to CFM what chase acting as Joey on that phone call wanted to do with the QB and all 3 were never opened and followed through
     
  13. Bernina

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    Authorization was emailed and 2 additional follow up notifications were sent out.

    3 .........3 emails. 3 emails to the master admin of the Custom account.

    So right, Chase has authorization from JM. In CM's dreams.
     
  14. Bernina

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    Dk would be not be looking at emails to the master admin, he was probably talking about emails to the EIP web site. There would be no reason for emails to be going to the master admin about EIP when that email was for Quicken.
     
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    Maybe Dan included an email counter app on the EIP website where he could see the number of new EIP "emails piling up" but couldn't actually access the email account itself? IDK. Just a guess.

    Happy Friday!
     
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    Morning Fridaybaker!

    So do I. Very compelling, and getting more so as each day passes.

    Among trying to read through what all was testified to yesterday, with some thinking something was said, but not sure, makes it so confusing for me to really even know what was testified to in its entirety.

    This absolutely is the worst trial I've ever followed.

    But out of what I could make out that came out yesterday, the piece of evidence that stood out to me the most was shorty after the McStays went missing CM was looking up how to go to Mexico, and create a false identity.

    If I even have that right, since I've become quite confused the longer this goes on with some posting certain things, and then others have a totally different view of the same testimony.

    But there is no way I can endure the live streaming of this trial. One thing that drives me bonkers is when the commentators talk endlessly right in the middle of when testimony is ongoing.

    It's like they think the viewers are too stupid to think for themselves, and at times the chatting parrots have their own biased slant.

    Anyway, that was the piece of evidence I found most compelling even though others were also important.

    Imo
     
  17. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    The state's closing is always in two parts.

    The state goes first, then the defense follows, but then the state gets back up and finishes the second part of their closing at the end before jury instructions.

    This happens because it's the state who has the legal burden of proof,

    Imo
     
  18. JMarsh

    JMarsh Former Member

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    Chase never claimed to have Master Administrator authorization. He was only attempting to cancel the on-line Quickbooks account specific to his work with Joey: CUSTOM. He and Joey may not have realized that Chase would need the master authorization info to do this OR Chase was setting things in motion and believed Joey would take care of that end of things when he reappeared.

    It all seems pretty innocent to me.
     
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    JMarsh Former Member

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    It helps if you present the actual information. It was NOT right after the family went missing that Chase took screen shots with his phone of the graves or of an article that was again NOT about changing identity in general, but was instead an article about the McStays and whether they had changed their identity. And all this took place right after the bodies were found in 2013.

    The pictures Chase took of the graves and of the tire tracks were probably for the book he intended on writing. In fact some of those pictures, I suspect were included in the Daily Mail article on Chase and his possible book.
     
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  20. JMarsh

    JMarsh Former Member

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    If investigators erred here, it doesn't also follow that they are bad investigators. I totally get why they thought Chase did this. My concern, though, is that they didn't dig deeper into the evidence to be absolutely certain.

    So much time is lost on these investigations if they pursue a conviction and the person in their crosshairs is the wrong person. If Chase is innocent, even more evidence has been lost in the last four years. I think when it comes to digital forensics, of all kinds, the counties have to hire more expertise. They need to hire consultants who specialize in the engineering around ping data and in digital forensics.
     
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