CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #7

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  1. JMarsh

    JMarsh Former Member

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    People forget. And again, this is the reason that perjury is difficult to prosecute. It has to be proven that the error in testimony is a deliberate lie. Where is the PROOF that this was a lie?
     
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    JMarsh Former Member

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    Why does the moving of the Trooper prove that the gravesite wasn't the murder scene?
     
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    JMarsh Former Member

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    I suspect if you are currently engaged in a legal issue this could be helpful, even if the issues at stake are different. I've had a few legal battles myself, and am very interested in the approach these attorneys are taking.
     
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    Then where did it came from? You dont think it originally came from Merritt, and what he said?

    What alibi did he give LE when they first interviewed him?

    At that time, I don't think watching movies using other electronic devices was all the rave back then.

    I just don't see Merritt as the type to watch movies in other ways. He has made a point more or less to convey he is old school.

    Why are you skeptical of things that may show Merritt as possibly being deceptive, which puts him in a bad light, and calls into question his credibility?

    If this was what he said, and he did, imo, it shows the accused was untruthful at a time, when if innocent, all of his truth would prevail, and it would checkout exactly as he had said, when we already know his alibi tales didn't pass muster?

    Just wondering why you are skeptical even about this? He wasn't even home at the time was he when he was supposedly watching the movie?

    Imo
     
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    Wasn't there also a bath mat covered in blood found in one of the graves? I thought I saw a picture of it online and I can't find it for the life of me now.
     
  6. Tortoise

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    San Diego really did fudge this. If I’d been in on his interview, or even if I was tired and hadn’t listened properly the first time and played it back to listen again, I’d have had probable cause warrants out on him immediately, to search his phone and computers, his truck, his storage facilities, his bank account, surveillance cameras, you name it. Based on his phone pings the family could have been found within a month IMO.

    That interview less than two weeks after the family’s disappearance speaks to his guilt.

    What did they have? -

    1. A guy with previous for theft and outstanding warrants. Could have called in an anonymous welfare check if he was so concerned about his warrants.

    2. Was going to the house to check on their dog bowls but didn’t go in the window to see if there’s any dead bodies inside.

    3. A guy who couldn’t remember his address and plainly did not want them anywhere near his girlfriend.

    4. A guy who was waffling and diverting and smarmy.

    5. A guy who showed them emails from Joey saying you owe me.

    6. Last person to see Joey.

    7. Said Joey gave him cheques even though he’d already been printing cheques since the 1st, so he had cheque stock. This is doubly alarming because if Joey did not meet him to hand over cheques he was hiding what really happened – why lie? I accept this wouldn't have come out until they investigated his bank account and Joey’s.

    8. Lied about the reason he knew Joey was sitting at his desk, couldn’t think of a reason for knowing that so very obviously invented a story on the fly of hearing the children – it doesn’t compute.

    9. Had a vindictive tone when he spoke about Summer and the boys.

    10. Spoke about them all in the past tense NOT in relation to questions in the past tense.

    11. Couldn't remember if he had been in the Trooper without thinking about it.

    12. THE BIGGEST RED FLAG OF ALL – Put Dan K in the frame, ever so - ever so - subtly but as we see if we delve a little deeper – loud and clear. He says he thinks Dan K lives in Hawaii. This is not accidental, it’s no Freudian Slip. He wants detectives to think hmm, this guy’s really not pointing the finger at Dan K! He’s telling us Dan wasn’t here but then it’s starting to smell a little because even though Dan’s not here he’s going to tell us more. It’s obvious chicanery to me. 13 days after the family has disappeared with no sign of murder he tells detectives Joey was so scared of Dan. Joey talked about it all the time. They’d argued! Joey was so scared of Dan he’d paid him a lot of money. Dan K was a brilliant hack you know. Wouldn’t want to piss off Dan K. They get the drift. BUT this is where he gives away his knowledge that Summer and the boys are dead also.

    Detectives had a missing family. They didn’t have a missing Joey, they had an entire family missing. What could it be?

    a/ They’ve voluntarily gone missing.

    b/ they’ve come to harm accidentally.

    c/ they’ve been murdered.

    By giving them the low down on Dan (he and Joey argued a year ago, Joey was scared, don’t want to mess with Dan, could have been hacking), Chase wants to insinuate that Dan K was a thorn in Joey’s side and had a motive to murder Joey. So we take out a/ and b/ and he’s thinking c/, Joey has been murdered. But that has to be joined with the rest of the family being murdered – it’s inconceivable to think Joey was murdered by Dan, and Summer and the two boys were murdered in an unconnected incident on the same day. Joey’s murder doesn’t exist without the family’s murder by bringing in c/.

    The problem is there is no evidence the family was murdered and Chase has no reason to suspect Dan would murder Summer and the boys. The murder of 3 and 4 year old children is an extremely rare event and likely to be the least likely scenario imaginable. An argument between business partners does not lead one to the conclusion that a wife and two children became a target. He weaves Dan into the conversation so casually but it’s done deliberately with no basis in logic.

    It would be enough to make me investigate Chase because his pushing them in that direction after only 13 days shows consciousness of guilt IMO.
     
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    I get the impression, that the $100 check was so stupid, LOSER, IDIOT GAMBLER CM could open a new checking acct. Maybe the one he had was closed, because of so many bounced checks. For someone making such exorbitant amounts of money (JM paid him something like $173,000!!?!?), he obviously didn't know the first thing about how to handle it.
     
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    But it's also in the preliminary hearing that it was based off of Jarvis's memory, not his own (I think he said the same in an interview) Could be a good ploy by him, or it could be that he really didn't recall 13 days later, and in the case of Hanke, 4 years later.

    I don't know, but these aren't Merritt's words, these are words from a detective in the preliminary hearing, and IMO there were numerous things that I have found so far that were misrepresented, I have no way of knowing if this is one of them. I wonder if we will be able to hear those interviews as well?

    I am married to someone that has a horrible memory.... I could tell him that we went to McDonald's and Walmart on Feb 4th and then we came home and watched movies, and he would believe me and then say it's his memory, doesn't make it true.
     
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    So where do you suppose he watched the movies he rented at Blockbuster? If he really didn't have a TV or didn't know enough to watch it on his computer or laptop? Or maybe he just went there for the popcorn?

    I am not sceptical of things that make Merritt out to be a liar... I'm sceptical of taking what is in the PH at face value at this point. For some of the info, that is all we have right now.

    And for me..... I will base opinions on the facts, not on rumour. You all are free to think he's a liar because he was too stupid to figure out how to watch a movie if he didn't own a TV (which I still don't know as a fact). I will base my opinion on the fact that I see he made 2 purchases at Blockbuster, which indicates to me that he did indeed know how to watch a movie, TV or not ;-) Still doesn't prove that he did watch them.. but IMO shows that he at least intended to.
     
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    Cathy russon's tweets possibly?
     
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  11. JMarsh

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    There is one more possibility and that is that Chase was at the casino during some of these times when his memory fails him. He was on probation, and though the terms of his probation don't appear to restrict gambling, he may not have wanted to admit to this.

    I don't think gambling leads to murder very often, but if there are issues with the court it might be something he didn't want law enforcement to know. There was a bench warrant for his arrest when he was first interviewed. This was for failure to appear. Even if Chase lied, the lie may have been to cover up other activity than murdering his only source of steady income, and that source's family.
     
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    There have been no items discovered, either in the grave or the home, that have been proven to have blood on them.
     
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    Good find. Iirc Merritt told detectives he didn't have a tv. It's either in the warrants or the prelim. There was also something he said that led me to believe they weren't living together, which is peculiar. He did pay for something at blockbuster but on the 12th and 15th, not the 4th. Joseph surely didn't call him then.

    Something to note, he went to Olive Garden the 10th, spent $94. Most likely took the whole family out (we recently did the same thing for a seating of 7 with an $80 tab). So, if Chase is late in paying rent as he told detectives, why is he spending lavishly? How is it CJ is not questioning this???
     
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    Really, really sketchy that CM can remember minute details about the Chik-fil A meeting, which hasn't been verified by video, an employee, and/or a payment on a credit card statement (yet), but not what he was doing that evening, the last time his employer supposedly tried to contact him.
    There is no evidence as to where CM met JM on the 4th. YET.

    I have yet to see a valid alibi for where CM was the 4th, 5th, and 8th, 9th.

    Most people who are self employed have a schedule written on paper (remember Day Planners"?), the computer, or their phone with appointment, jobs, deadlines, payment due, etc.

    Nothing, in the trial, has been said to give CM an alibi for the 4th, 5th, 8th, and 9th. There's a vague memory by Carmen that CM was in the Metro Office the 8th or 9th, but, again, that's vague. Barring THAT, no one has given CM an alibi.

    Waiting for CM's alibi for his whereabouts because I have yet to hear it from any of the witnesses, ON THE STAND, per what CM claims in pre-trial. interviews/statements.
     
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    He originally stated he couldn't remember anything after 5 pm. A lot could be read into that. He is afterall being asked about it weeks later. To me though, it doesn't sit well. His gf was calling him, leaving VM and he finally calls her back at 9:32. I think that would jar my memory a bit, certainly not be at home watching a movie with the person who's trying to get a hold of me.

    His memory is quite clear though when recounting the days after that, where he went, did, times and who he spoke to.
     
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    Not yet at least. IIRC, one of the LE team was displaying two "pieces" of a bath mat(s) that had blood on them for the picture. It shocked me because I didn't remember seeing this during the testimony about what they found in the graves. Maybe they haven't presented it yet?
     
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    I considered this, that maybe his original Union account was having issues, but then he supposedly deposited a cheque there on the 5th.
     
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    Susan originally said that she spoke to Joey on the afternoon of the 4th. Now she says the last time she spoke to Joey was in late January. CLEARLY this discrepancy means she must have murdered the McStays.

    See how silly this is?
     
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    You are right, sorry. But @Edmo may be looking for a pic that Cathy tweeted, she was tweeting many in those first few weeks.
     
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    This is true in California as well. Both sides have to reveal discovery. They can keep work product and strategy from each other, but any evidence that either side has must be disclosed.
     
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