CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #8

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missy1974 said:
What is all unclear in these financials still is what was paid to EIP and Dan, what was given to who for what and when. On the surface it looks bad, but I do not think that Chase had access to the EIP money that was coming in and if it was the family and/or Dan that was receiving this money. I was hoping we would have seen more of this when the Forensic Accountant testified, but we didn't. I think it's important to look at it as a whole, and I don't doubt that Dan also may have screwed over Susan (and the family). JMO because a lot of what has been out there for years, is not really verified I don't think.
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I agree. Thinking we will see this when the defense is up?
Hopefully by then we will have live feed from somewhere. Such a bummer.
 
Tortoise said:
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So you don't believe Schroeder did the searches himself?
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I think he did some, but IIRC somewhere in that testimony Maline was questioning him about just that. Didn't Schroeder say that others might have done them, but they had his name on the "file" or something like that? I may have him confused with another witness.

I think he ran the reports. He was asked to testify. He answered the questions he was asked. Showing that the bookmark was accessed, as an isolated incident, it looked like it was a user. When shown the whole picture (through an FBI report that was also done previously) during a break, he changed his mind and agreed that it was a system accessed file and was probably a scan.
 
missy1974 said:
As far as I can tell, they are saying the February 2010 cheques were obtained without Joey's permission. All the rest... are just cheques and they were in business together for years before Feb 2010. From what little I watched of the testimony with his financials... he was always a gambler, him going to the casino in Feb/Mar 2010 is not a new thing for him, and actually, I was surprised to see that he didn't spend more at that time. <<< but that's with the note that I have only glanced at this testimony, so will definitely watch for more when I sit and listen to it all :)
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How many years were they associated? Im thinking it was only a couple years since JM met CM at a Home and Garden show where CM trolled for business/ victims. Edit 2007
 
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citygirl said:
I agree. Thinking we will see this when the defense is up?
Hopefully by then we will have live feed from somewhere. Such a bummer.
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The prosecution could call the FBI person that ran the reports before Schroeder too. Or maybe they have another computer expert to testify yet? Wish we knew who all was on their witness list.
 
missy1974 said:
As far as I can tell, they are saying the February 2010 cheques were obtained without Joey's permission. All the rest... are just cheques and they were in business together for years before Feb 2010. From what little I watched of the testimony with his financials... he was always a gambler, him going to the casino in Feb/Mar 2010 is not a new thing for him, and actually, I was surprised to see that he didn't spend more at that time. <<< but that's with the note that I have only glanced at this testimony, so will definitely watch for more when I sit and listen to it all :)
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As to the bolded, we have no idea how much he gambled away that month. We only know how much cash he took out of the Casino ATMs. We have no idea how much cash he took with him there.

We have no idea if he was up to his old tricks, stealing and conning. Didnt the MSM guy say something about not trusting CM because things went missing in their shop? Also , Chase's 'stolen ' tools that Joey replaced for him...maybe he sold or pawned them himself?

As a burglar himself, I'd think he would know how to best protect his important work tools from being stolen, twice, in fact, IIRC.

We have seen that he took out 29K form the casino ATMS in one year. My conservative estimate is that he gambled away twice that amount. Because I am pretty sure he went to the casinos with cash in hand, before hitting the ATM there. JMO

So I think he may have easily gambled away 60K that year alone.
 
missy1974 said:
As far as I can tell, they are saying the February 2010 cheques were obtained without Joey's permission. All the rest... are just cheques and they were in business together for years before Feb 2010. From what little I watched of the testimony with his financials... he was always a gambler, him going to the casino in Feb/Mar 2010 is not a new thing for him, and actually, I was surprised to see that he didn't spend more at that time. <<< but that's with the note that I have only glanced at this testimony, so will definitely watch for more when I sit and listen to it all :)
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Yes, as to the bolded. Going to the casinos frequently was nothing new. But what was new was that Joey's checks to him seemed to be getting smaller. I think his income was decreasing, his unpaid bills were increasing, and his urge to gamble was as strong as ever. All together, the perfect storm for someone to become unhinged.
 
Ocean. I didn't want to copy your last long post. And this is OT, I think, but I can't resist. I'm not a gambler and I am older........but I do get speeding tickets fairly regularly. Those damn cameras! Hubby calls me out then BAM. He gets one.:D.
 
katydid23 said:
As to the bolded, we have no idea how much he gambled away that month. We only know how much cash he took out of the Casino ATMs. We have no idea how much cash he took with him there.

We have no idea if he was up to his old tricks, stealing and conning. Didnt the MSM guy say something about not trusting CM because things went missing in their shop? Also , Chase's 'stolen ' tools that Joey replaced for him...maybe he sold or pawned them himself?

As a burglar himself, I'd think he would know how to best protect his important work tools from being stolen, twice, in fact, IIRC.

We have seen that he took out 29K form the casino ATMS in one year. My conservative estimate is that he gambled away twice that amount. Because I am pretty sure he went to the casinos with cash in hand, before hitting the ATM there. JMO

So I think he may have easily gambled away 60K that year alone.
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That is $2,500 a month ! Nope, he isn't a gambling addict. lol
 
katydid23 said:
As to the bolded, we have no idea how much he gambled away that month. We only know how much cash he took out of the Casino ATMs. We have no idea how much cash he took with him there.

We have no idea if he was up to his old tricks, stealing and conning. Didnt the MSM guy say something about not trusting CM because things went missing in their shop? Also , Chase's 'stolen ' tools that Joey replaced for him...maybe he sold or pawned them himself?

As a burglar himself, I'd think he would know how to best protect his important work tools from being stolen, twice, in fact, IIRC.

We have seen that he took out 29K form the casino ATMS in one year. My conservative estimate is that he gambled away twice that amount. Because I am pretty sure he went to the casinos with cash in hand, before hitting the ATM there. JMO

So I think he may have easily gambled away 60K that year alone.
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Echoes of Stephen Paddock.
 
katydid23 said:
As to the bolded, we have no idea how much he gambled away that month. We only know how much cash he took out of the Casino ATMs. We have no idea how much cash he took with him there.

We have no idea if he was up to his old tricks, stealing and conning. Didnt the MSM guy say something about not trusting CM because things went missing in their shop? Also , Chase's 'stolen ' tools that Joey replaced for him...maybe he sold or pawned them himself?

As a burglar himself, I'd think he would know how to best protect his important work tools from being stolen, twice, in fact, IIRC.

We have seen that he took out 29K form the casino ATMS in one year. My conservative estimate is that he gambled away twice that amount. Because I am pretty sure he went to the casinos with cash in hand, before hitting the ATM there. JMO

So I think he may have easily gambled away 60K that year alone.
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I don't think there was anything about anything missing from MSM. It was more about the knowledge of the tools and how to use them properly that Sequieda said he didn't trust. He obviously didn't like CM, but after Carmen's testimony, I don't think Sequieda Sr. (the dad) had that big of a problem with Chase, and let's not forget that Jr. and Sr. had their own relationship issues according to testimony. I would like to know why Sequieda Sr. didn't testify (could be health, etc. but I would think that the pro's would have wanted to bring that out as well and they didn't)

Also don't forget, that the jury isn't hearing all these "rumours" about tools and whatever, are they?
 
katydid23 said:
Yes, as to the bolded. Going to the casinos frequently was nothing new. But what was new was that Joey's checks to him seemed to be getting smaller. I think his income was decreasing, his unpaid bills were increasing, and his urge to gamble was as strong as ever. All together, the perfect storm for someone to become unhinged.
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My question is... were his cheques getting smaller because Joey was covering things like MSM? Are the 2 related? When they started getting MSM to do some of the work, was that amount deducted from what he was paying Chase? So Chase's pay, but minus what was paid out... something that maybe Chase used to do? Hope that makes sense LOL

Maybe I can figure that out when I watch all the testimony.
 
Force Ten said:
Thanks. I was gonna look for this video. This is pretty accurate for what it would like. Maybe a little more or a little less. Less rain could have actually fell in the area of the graves. By the time Merritt entered the wash it wouldn't look like this. Little to no water.
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And I don't know if this has already been stated, but it is VERRRRY windy up in Victorville, 50mph winds are quite the norm.
 
missy1974 said:
In 2008/2009 did Chase have any judgements against him? Financially I mean. A credit card debt? a loan debt? I am not sure if it's something we know or would be able to find out.
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By 2009 he had 100 k in medical bills from his heart attack. (He had no health insurance.)
 
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