GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

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  1. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I would absolutely feel the same way about my own child. Nothing unusual.

    That's not the same kid. That's an older brother.

    That neighbor thing completely baffles me. What does "recant" mean? Does it mean, "Well, I told a story for attention but I lied." or does it mean, "You know, I think I was hallucinating."?

    I don't get it.

    Pictures show IF, Leila, JF, another, older sister, maybe around 14 or so, who I think is also the dad and Priscilla's kid, then a little boy about ten and a little girl around 6 or 7 or so, both of whom I think are Crystal Walters' kids, and then a toddler who I think belongs to the step-mom and the dad.

    I kind of do. An arrest indicates there is probable cause. So I often assume guilt after such an arrest until something comes up to prove otherwise. Kind of the opposite of innocent until proven guilty I guess. Which is fine as long as I am not a juror.

    Also, this was not a fast arrest.

    I'll say. I read the FB of the step-mother. The day the arrest was announced she was spewing anger and talking about the "acting" skills of the bio-mom.

    If it was me, I would have been stricken incapable of speaking due to the shock and grief. My first reaction would not be to continue bashing the other parent. And if i could speak, the first thing I would be able to say publicly would not be anything mean about another parent, especially one who just lost her child and was not involved in the murder. The fact that that was her first response frankly speaks volumes to me.

    These people have been involved in lengthy custody battles. I am way too familiar with these kinds of cases (horrible custody battles) and frankly, I have seen that new moms can cause huge problems where none existed before.

    I'm not saying Priscilla Rodriguez is blameless. It appears she didn't have custody and there are usually good reasons for that. But i will note I haven't heard her say anything bad about the dad o step-mom specifically, except an allusion to being barred from her daughter's funeral.

    In any event, with so much chaos and ugliness, I am not surprised that one of the kids in that family became so disturbed.

    Yes. That's him. Some were pointing to either the older boy with the tattoo, JF, or the ten or 11 year old with longish brown hair. He is neither of those boys.
     


  2. TDW59

    TDW59 Well-Known Member

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    All my sympathies go to this family, they are surely in constant agony and anguish. I don't know how they will ever recover.

    I do hope all the family is in counseling and in time that they do move since they are in such a small town and it would follow them daily there.
     
  3. shiloh42

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    I had a friend who committed a crime (theft). He admitted it. He had his reason -- not justifiable ones, mind you - mostly due to desperation due to dire financial straights, and he honestly thought he could replace the money before the victim noticed (it was sort of embezzlement). I 'stood behind' him to the extent that I remained his friend; but I also gave him some tough love in that I refused to repay the money on his behalf. The same was true of the rest of his friends. We made him face the consequences of his actions. In the end, the victim realized that having him arrested would not gain him anything and by leaving my friend free, my friend was able to repay all the money in installments. My friend had two very difficult years where every spare penny went to the repayment, and he had to forego all forms of entertainment and fun. So in a way he was in jail, just an informal one.

    So standing behind a loved one accused of a crime means emotionally supporting them while they face the consequences of their actions.
     
  4. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    That's sure easy for outsiders to do now that an 8 year old girl is dead.
    I doubt it's that easy from a parent's perspective. They lived with him.

    If they could look at him and say "He's a killer!"
    Then they likely wouldn't have left him alone with an 8 year old to begin with.
    Just like the parents who have no clue what their teenagers are doing, but everyone else does.

    Many 12 year old boys would likely qualify as "disturbed." Especially ones with this kids situation.
    It doesn't mean that they are going to kill their siblings or anyone else.

    We do not even know for sure that there WAS prior unusual issues with this kid.
    Let's assume for a minute that there WAS for the sake of discussion.

    When you are IN the situation with a troubled kid, it's VERY easy to minimize it.
    Especially considering the very limited options you have for a troubled kid. :twocents:

    It's near impossible for parents to convince anyone a kid is dangerous BEFORE they hurt or kill. :twocents:
    They fight for help and are told nothing can be done if they haven't hurt anyone (self injury doesn't count.)
    THEN when they DO hurt or kill someone? It's the parents fault for not preventing it. :facepalm:
     
  5. shiloh42

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    Which videos and photos are you seeing? So far I've only been able to find one. I'd be curious to see which ones show obvious "wrongness".....
     
  6. winterrose

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    So I'm wondering since the parents don't know what evidence he's been charged with and also being we haven't heard yet, have they brought the homicide charges? If so, surely he'd have a lawyer that would be speaking to the parents. I thought you could only hold a person 48 to 72 hours before prosecutor brings charges.
     
  7. blue22

    blue22 Well-Known Member

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    Sentencing someone to death in our justice system, does not prevent one from getting into heaven. heaven is between a person and God. The justice system can't send someone to heaven or hell. We are only humans, and we don't have to power to send someone anywhere after death on earth.

    I don't believe they are thinking of abandoning their child. Loving and forgiving someone, does not mean they have to sit behind them at a trial and support their innocence. Remember, they are also seeking justice for their slain daughter. If they truly believe their son is guilty of this crime, they should not have to be obligated...even as parents...to support innocence where there is none. A parent can both love a child and make that known, and not support their fight for innocence.

    Obviously, just my opinion.
     
  8. Dee10

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    I agree with you 100%, but apparently in this case (at this time) the father & mother it seems believe he is "not guilty". I am sure we will hear much more or I would hope. At all levels we need to learn from this.
     
  9. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Well-Known Member

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    New article:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-leila-fowler-murder-20130513,0,5209603.story
     
  10. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Which tells me he probably wasn't an obvious budding serial killer or they wouldn't be surprised.
    They want to see evidence. That means they are struggling to believe he's guilty.
    Good to see his father and STEPmother (I'm guessing his mother as well though we haven't heard from her)
    have more faith in him than the rest of his community. :twocents:
     
  11. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    I now realize what people meant when they say that IF looks older than 12. He's about the same height as Justin, who's 19, and noticeably taller/bigger than the little girl in the pink (Leila's best friend). However, in the family pictures, I think he did look his age.
     
  13. The Cheese

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    Sharokina Shams ‏@kcraSharokina 5m
    Experts say first step in prosecution of #Leila Fowler's 12-year-old brother will be to order mental evaluations.

    Sharokina Shams ‏@kcraSharokina 9m
    The most time #Leila Fowler's brother could serve, if he's found guilty of her killing, is 13 years, until he's 25. #kcra

    Sharokina Shams ‏@kcraSharokina 11m
    (Continued) ... Why? You have to be at least 14 to be charged as an adult. If under 14, you serve time in juvenile facility, formerly CYA.

    Sharokina Shams ‏@kcraSharokina 12m
    Legal experts: If Leila Fowler's 12-year-old brother found guilty, he'll never serve life sentence, or go to prison, not even as an adult.
     
  14. vasportsmom

    vasportsmom so many cases...so much heartbreak

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    I feel so bad for the other kids in this family. They have lost a brother and a sister and I don't see how they can properly grieve either loss without feeling a great deal of guilt in regards to the other. They are going to need a lot of support in the days & months to come and I just hope that their parents can put their feelings about each other and childish FB drama aside to provide the children with what they need.
     
  15. Dee10

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    I don't think a parent is necessarily the best judge, nor the has the capabilities to make the assessment. Heartbreaking though.
     
  16. tapu

    tapu Pretty scary.

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    People who believe in the system wouldn't likely object to the family using their money for a legal defense. The money is given to help the family. Certainly the family is served by a full and fair defense for whomever the defendant may be. Since it's their son, it seems particularly important that the trial, verdict, sentencing be based on the best circumstances possible.

    I know this is idealistic, but isn't that how it's supposed to work?
     
  17. The Cheese

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    christina heller ‏@CHeller_13 44s CBS Sacramento
    #LeilaFowler Family has cancelled tomorrow's press briefing in Valley Springs. #cbs13
     
  18. The Cheese

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    Calaveras County Sheriff's Office

    Fowler family press conference cancelled

    The Fowler family has cancelled it's request to provide a prepared statement to the media tomorrow, May 14th at 3:30 pm at the press conference that they requested.


    https://local.nixle.com/calaveras-county-sheriffs-office/
     
  19. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    So does that mean that the police sat down with them and explained the evidence?
    I'm so confused.
     
  20. The Cheese

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    Or maybe they went to visit him and he confessed to them?
     
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