GUILTY CA - Leila Fowler, 8, murdered, 12yo charged, Valley Springs, 27 Apr 2013 - #3

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  1. eileenhawkeye

    eileenhawkeye Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe they want to reconsider exactly what they are going to say because they know it's going to be picked apart and scrutinized by the public and the media?
     


  2. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Or maybe they just decided to wait until one of the above happens to talk?
     
  3. menmo

    menmo Active Member

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    An accused killer son, as you say.

    In a previous community I lived in there was a death of a three year old beautiful little girl. She died while being watched by her 14 (if I remember correctly) step uncle who had been suspended from school. (I think it was for bomb threat and fighting, although it's been awhile so not positive) His (the fourteen year olds) mom worked at a place where many of my friends work and supposedly got a call shortly before this child died saying the baby wouldn't quit crying. A very short time later she got another call saying the baby wasn't breathing. The fourteen year old was being punished and made to watch this baby while he was suspended from school. He and his half brother (the baby's step dad), along with the half sister was pretty much a mess due to, IMO, the life their mother led. The teenagers mom who had been married 5 times and was in mid forties. The prosecutor in that case said they weren't going to press charges on the fourteen year old because he had his whole life in front of him as punishment as he had to live with it. The three year olds mom, though, did receive some kind of child charges for leaving her infant in his care. Outrageous and just to show you that not all people actually have the ability to do the right thing by their child. :(

    When someone donates money in a situation like this, or really any situation, it's best to remember that if you care what the money is actually used for then you should figure out a way to donate only to that specific thing for them, otherwise it's all fair game. Not saying it is going to happen in this family but I've watched on three different instances in my life where I saw up close and personal what happens with money left over from donations. Usually funerals are donated in situations like this, of course they will still need money for headstone, plot, etc.

    Totally agree and to me it showed the dynamic that all of these children must have lived with on a daily basis. :(

    MOO
     
  4. vasportsmom

    vasportsmom so many cases...so much heartbreak

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    They would have been better off going through with a brief statement thanking the community and asking for privacy because now speculation is going to run rampant about why they cancelled. This family must be shattered and I fear that it is only going to get worse as more info comes out.
     
  5. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know that I could stand by my son if he stabbed my daughter to death in cold blood. I just don't know if I could. I would be too grief stricken, too betrayed, to support him in any way. JMO

    If one of my kids robbed a bank or got busted dealing drugs, I would be there for them unconditionally and try to help them through. But if they killed someone I loved with all of my heart, unless it TRULY was self-defense, I could not blindly, unconditionally support them.

    And I love both my kids more than anything else in the entire world. I would die for them. But I guess it is not entirely unconditional. :heartbeat:
     
  6. PoeticJustice

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    how does that saying go? "it's the mind that knows but the heart that takes convincing"

    of course the family stands by IF, and i'm no psychic or expert, but i truly deep down believe this couldn't have been anyone else. random intruders don't just walk in without any forced entry, stab an innocent 8 year old girl, and run away. in my mind and i'm sure as LE suspects or knows, there are no other POI, it just wouldn't make sense. i hope he's confessed and will start the process of giving his parents peace.
     
  7. Scottndianner

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    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013...s-leila-fowlers-family-to-find-legal-counsel/

    Defense Attorney Advises Leila Fowler’s Family To Find Legal Counsel

    VALLEY SPRINGS (CBS13) — As the shock of the arrest of a 12-year-old boy in the stabbing death of his 8-year-old sister begins to recede, questions arise over how it happened and what will happen to the preteen suspect.

    Defense attorney Mark Reichel says the first step for the suspect in the death of Leila Fowler will be a day in juvenile court.

    “That’s a whole different arena, and the process is much more different than most of us are aware,” Reichel said.

    In juvenile court, the 12-year-old will not face a jury of his peers. A judge will instead weigh the facts and determine a sentence that could be years of rehabilitation and education.

    Since he is only 12, the suspect cannot be tried as an adult in the state of California, no matter the circumstances, Reichel said.

    If convicted, he could be locked up for a very long time.

    “The maximum possible is he’ll be held at a youth authority until he is 25 years old, and then he will be released as an adult on parole,” Reichel said.

    The legal problems in the case aren’t just for the boy. If a family member tried to mislead investigators, they could face jail time.

    “I think every single one of them needs an attorney,” Reichel said. “Any coverups or any assistance they gave, or any false statements or any misleading communications they gave to law enforcement could have hindered the investigation, and that in itself is a crime.
     
  8. michmi

    michmi Well-Known Member

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    If I had donated, it would only be for Leila's funeral expenses, clothing for the family to attend. NOT to defend a murderer. If the public isn't given a choice on whether or not their donation is spent on a defense for their son, they have a right to be upset and want their money back.

    Regarding whether he gets a "full and fair" defense? I couldn't care less. I don't care why, I don't care what's wrong with him.

    I don't think I'm out of the ordinary in feeling that way either.
     
  9. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    That is my guess. I think that they were going to make the statement that LE was mistaken, and their son was innocent. And I think LE may have shown them some forensics that led to his arrest/

    They must be devastated.
     
  10. blue22

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    Man, I don't think I could face the public right now either. Their daughter was killed, their son was arrested. I don't think I could. I don't think I would ever have it in me to make a public statement. However, saying you will and recanting so soon...just opened the family up to more public and painful speculation and anger. In their community specifically.
     
  11. michmi

    michmi Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe parenting calls for unconditional "support". It does call for unconditional love. You can still love your child and visit on Sundays or whenever he can have visits.
     
  12. TheDuchess

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    Sorry-I should have clarified better-my point is that if you put someone to death, who is to say that 5 years later they may have found God, felt tremendous remourse for their sins and sought God's forgiveness. But they weren't ready for that before that time. That is what I meant. Just that everyone should get the chance to die in their "natural time." (And yes...I realize I am saying that in light of the person took another's life before their time-so it's not a perfect rationale, but one I have a difficult time with-that's all.)
     
  13. TheDuchess

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    WOW-this actually sounds like a normal 12 year old-some people love him and some may think he's a bully. 12 is an awkward age and most 12 year olds don't fit perfectly into "good kid" "bad kid" labels. Especially when you take into account the recently increased liberal use of the word "bully" and what constitutes bullying.
     
  14. blue22

    blue22 Well-Known Member

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    And...you can still love them and not visit...in my opinion.
     
  15. tapu

    tapu Pretty scary.

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    Sadly, I would have to agree that you are probably not out of the ordinary. What system of justice do you prefer over ours?
     
  16. Davereid

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    I agree. It would be an absolutely horrible situation to be in. I cannot think of anything much worse. I do not know if I could stand by a child I knew was a monster. What if your kid was Ted Bundy? I am not saying this kid is but there are limits. The thought of the sheer terror, pain and suffering that little girl went through would override blindly supporting him in my opinion. They are still in shock now and probably denial. Sadly I expect this will break up this blended family. I doubt many marriages could withstand something like this.
     
  17. michmi

    michmi Well-Known Member

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    I've never said anything was the parents' fault except that they might have been a little in denial regarding IF and regarding how their children might have felt about the blended family OR the custody issues.

    And also, it obviously WAS easy for "outsiders" to peg him as the murderer because there were dozens of people who couldn't come into this thread until IF was arrested because they knew it had to be him.
     
  18. vasportsmom

    vasportsmom so many cases...so much heartbreak

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    I don't get this argument. A killer on death row at least knows how much time they have left to seek forgiveness if they are so inclined, which is far more than most of them gave their victims.
     
  19. The Cheese

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    Laura Anthony ‏@LauraAnthony7 14m
    Leila Fowler's step grandmother tells ABC 7 News "In one family we have a victim and a suspect. It's devastating."
     
  20. michmi

    michmi Well-Known Member

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    Yes, and now that you've brought it up - if my daughter had been stabbed to death by my son I wouldn't be visiting. I probably wouldn't sit behind him in court either. But that's me.
     
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