CA CA - Long Beach, WhtMale 15-19, 1392UMCA, 'Paid' stamp on hand, Jun'78

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  1. azure

    azure Well-Known Member

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    I think our doe is almost certainly not JD. His features are much stronger than the doe's: he has a wider nose and thicker, darker brows, and his hair looks thicker, darker, and a different texture.

    Plus, per Clustrmaps and other public records sites, JD is very much alive and he and his wife own a home in California.
     
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  2. AkitasAreLovely

    AkitasAreLovely Well-Known Member

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    Do we know if we have DNA available for this John Doe?
     
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  3. Grungster

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    I think he was cremated before they could get it :( I think they still cremate unidentified people, but at least we have people on that team like Betsy MagDaleno who know what their doing :)
     
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  4. AkitasAreLovely

    AkitasAreLovely Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I think that was what they told me when I asked about the two Wilmington John Does from 1973, but I remember Doe Network had said that DNA was available. I'd probably assume Doe Network was incorrect.
     
  5. Grungster

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    I think they do have DNA available in this case, from the sock. That's probably what they mean.
     
  6. AkitasAreLovely

    AkitasAreLovely Well-Known Member

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    Mmmhmm, they have a lot more of this decedent's clothes, so probably easier to get DNA. Wonder if they could get the DNA of the person/people who did this to him too. Guess only time will tell.
     
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  7. Grungster

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  8. Grungster

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    Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but Randy Kraft proclaims his innocence. I wish he would just say who his UID victims are.
     
  9. chatnoir84

    chatnoir84 Amateur Sleuth

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    Yes, based on what I have read about him, he won't divulge any info.
     
  10. AkitasAreLovely

    AkitasAreLovely Well-Known Member

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    Last I recall, he was interviewed in 2016, and said that his last victim, Terry Gambrel, overdosed on Ativan, and didn't mention at all the fact that he was strangled. I doubt he'd pull a Samuel Little. He wants to keep control and thinks only of himself.
     
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  11. Grungster

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    I’d get the answers out of him if I could....he’s being selfish.
     
  12. Grungster

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    I mean, how come he can’t lie about their death
     
  13. Grungster

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    Since we all know he killed them, couldn’t he be like “Oh, that guys name was Dave and he killed himself in my home, I dumped him in the desert so I wouldn’t get in trouble”?
     
  14. AkitasAreLovely

    AkitasAreLovely Well-Known Member

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    I dunno how much of an emotional argument you could make towards him to get him to confess anything. I wouldn't know the first thing to try to get in contact with him, because he'd pretty much just ask for money, and I'm not sure he wants notoriety. The person he was closest to, his oldest sister Kay, passed away in August 2019, and her memorial made ZERO mention of Kraft, so he has very little connection to any family now. I think he has only one other sister who is alive, but pretty much all his 'friends' are in San Quentin now, as he says so in the 2016 article I made a mention of before.
    What else could be done? Cut a plea deal for his freedom in 5 years, once he's pretty much into his 80s in exchange for confessing or helping to decipher the scorecard? Hard to imagine that.
    Get a fellow inmate to try to coax it out of him? Only one I knew who tolerated him was Doug Clark.
    It's very frustrating, and that's the point. He has the control, we don't, that's how he likes it.
     
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    I wonder if LBPD has a photo of the faint stamp on his hand, maybe this in addition to his clothes can trigger someone's memory.

    From the crime scene photo, I think that I see a black leather watch on his left arm.
     
  16. Grungster

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    I just wish he could start talking one day, or that we find out where and who his other victims are. Families need closure.
     
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  17. Grungster

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    I believe NamUs has all available information and photos on it.
     
  18. Feme98

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    Yes, they have the updated version of his shoes and the HQ postmortem photo.

    Maybe they can extract DNA from his clothes.
     
  19. PropaneYeeter

    PropaneYeeter If only sorrow could build a staircase.

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    43 years ago today. Rest in peace, kid. Been thinking of you all day. I hope whoever did this to you is found, though I fear it may be too late.
     
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  20. AkitasAreLovely

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    Maybe you could, if you just talk casually about his life, focus on him, go along with his narcissistic personality. Talk about how smart he was to fool the police in 1975, don't talk about the families he hurt, stuff like that. I think I was able to conclusively identify the HARI KARI victim this year, but I haven't seen any other things come up with scorecard solves otherwise.
     
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