CA CA - Long Beach, WhtMale 15-19, 1392UMCA, 'Paid' stamp on hand, Jun'78

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  1. Feme98

    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    On the 43th anniversary, I hope that this is Long Beach John Doe’s year.

    His family deserves answers and closure. Someday, he’ll be no longer nameless.

    I’ve been thinking about him since yesterday and today.

    Rest In Peace buddy.
     


  2. Feme98

    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    Do you guys think that LE might release the pictures of his clothing? So far we have his shoes.

    From the crime scene photo, I can tell that he wore a light blue t shirt along with a pair of indigo blue jeans (maybe straight leg).

    I also think that I see some type of strap on his left hand, possibly a watch.
     
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  3. Feme98

    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    I found a video on YouTube, it’s about the disco dancing from 1979.



    At about the 1 minute mark, it appears that those shoes are the same type as those on our UID.

    I think that perhaps he went to a club (possibly Ripples).

    I don’t know if Redwing shoes were disco/fancy shoes.
     
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  4. AkitasAreLovely

    AkitasAreLovely Well-Known Member

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    Could be a reference to FRONT OF RIPPLES on Kraft's scorecard.
     
  5. Feme98

    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    Indeed! Do you know if it says a date? Like June 2nd 1978
     
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  6. Springrain

    Springrain Who was the 1980 Ventura County Jane Doe?

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    Do you mean DNA from the sock found in 1155UMCA's anus or a sock the other Wilmington John Doe was wearing?

    Honestly, Randy Kraft is a definite *** but he might genuinely not know who this guy is if he just met him at the bar. But I can also see him lying because he thinks he can manipulate people into thinking he's innocent, even though he was pulled over with an entire corpse in his car.
     
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  7. Feme98

    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    Do you think that he might have an identifier hidden somewhere? Perhaps his ID or wallet.
     
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  8. Feme98

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    I think that if Kraft killed him, he might have gotten him into his car, maybe on Ripples parking lot.

    Once he was done, he tossed him a few blocks away.
     
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  9. Springrain

    Springrain Who was the 1980 Ventura County Jane Doe?

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    Not sure what's wrong with me tonight that I didn't realize that's what you meant :p I do think it's possible Kraft (or whoever his killer was if not Kraft) took his wallet out of his pocket and dumped it without looking. But from what I've seen about Kraft, he didn't really seem to care if his victims were identified? I could be wrong about that, but he killed a lot of men and boys and most of them were ID'd. So I'm not sure! I wonder if it's possible he got into the bar earlier that day (or yesterday, and the stamp just hadn't washed off fully yet), went home and left his wallet and ID there, and then went back out, only to be killed by Kraft.

    As a side note, did they report anything about this guy's BAC or anything else on his toxicology report? I can't remember. If he was drunk at time of death it was almost certainly easier to lure him or as you said, force him into his car.
     
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    I can see that as being possible. He apparently didn't know the identity of "Portland Elk" from 1980.
     
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  11. Feme98

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    I don’t remember reading any aspect that indicates that he was drunk at the time of death.

    Earlier it was thought that he was an overdose victim.
     
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    Feme98 Well-Known Member

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    Bumping for him.
     
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  13. Feme98

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    I've been thinking that perhaps he got into his killer's car, maybe they drove to the spot where he was found and that is were he ended up killing him.

    I wonder if there are any reports of a car parked prior to when he was eventually found, given that the discovery occured at 4 AM, maybe he laid there since 3:30 AM, perhaps.

    It hurts that he hasn't been identified, nor that the person or persons responsible have been caught or at the very least, identified.
     
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    81DMIA - Guy Howard Heckle

    Guy Howard Heckle went missing a few years before John Doe was found, but the age range would fit. This is the first one that has really struck me with the facial similarity.
     
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  15. Feme98

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    I see resemblance!

    The only thing that puzzles me is the length of time from his last sighting (and possible passing) to 1978, the 5 year gap is kind of a stretch.

    John Doe seem to have been taken care of, given the condition of his clothing and overall appearance.
     
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    They both have DNA available, so it should be an easy rule out or match.
     
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    If you read the circumstances regarding his disappearance it’s fairly certain that Heckle fell into the river and didn’t make it out. That makes a lot more sense than reappearing five years later in California and being this UID.
     
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    I suspect that a lot of missing kids from that era ran away from home and went to California or NY where they could live a more openly gay lifestyle. Since Ripples was well known as a gay bar, I wouldn't find it inherently implausible that this decedent was someone who had been missing for several years. Might not be. There might not be a connection. But it could be.

    Heckle's circumstances don't seem to fit that, however.
     
  19. AkitasAreLovely

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    If the scorecard says a date? The scorecard never did specify any dates.
     
  20. doyoulovemepfg

    doyoulovemepfg Verified Insider - Faith Threet case

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    I've thought this guy was Front of Ripples for YEARS. Nothing is specified date wise, but many of the names on the scorecard were either organized chronologically or put together if there was some aspect of similarity to the cases.
     
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