CA CA - Los Angeles Co, WhtFem UP4194, 19-35, in swimming pool of apartment, Sep'85

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  1. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    NamUs UP 4194

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/4194

    Unidentified White Female

    Found September 1, 1985 in
    Los Angeles County, CA
    Body Condition:
    Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only[B]
    [B]Probable year of death: 1985 to 1985[/B][/B]

    [B]Vital Statistics
    [B]Estimated age: 19-35
    [B]Approximate Height: 60 estimate
    [B]Approximate Weight: 41 estimate
    [B]Hair Color: [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
    Unknown

    [B][B][B][B][B][B][B]
    Eye Color: Unknown[/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
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    [B]Scars and marks: [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
    nothing
    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing:
    nothinh[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]
    [B]
    Jewerly: [FONT=arial][SIZE=3]nothing[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]

    Footwear:
    nothing[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]
    [B]Accessories: [FONT=arial][SIZE=3]nothing[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]


    Identifiers
    Fingerprints:
    Fingerprint information is not available [B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]
    [B]Dentals: [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
    Dental information / charting is available and entered[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]
    [B]DNA: [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
    Sample is currently not available[B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B][B]
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    Case History: [/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B][/B]
    On 9/1/1985 the decedent was found beneath an apartment building in an abandoned swimming pool.
     


  2. Onfortuneswheel

    Onfortuneswheel Active Member

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    Was the apartment abandoned as well? Or was an apartment building built on top of an abandoned swimming pool? Even if the swimming pool wasn't being used, who doesn't go exploring in their apartment building? I'm confused.
     
  3. Tssiemer

    Tssiemer Well-Known Member

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    Who said it was abandoned?


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  4. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    NamUs states the decedent was found in an abandoned swimming pool under an apartment building. It's kind of confusing.

    From Namus:
     
  5. Tssiemer

    Tssiemer Well-Known Member

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    Beneath a building. Like. They just built over it? Or was it easily accessible? So many questions.


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  6. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    The specific location within LA County is not specified, but considering the timeframe and that it was Los Angeles County, I'm guessing that it might have been along the corridor heading straight east of the Los Angeles Airport (LAX) that was condemned to create the 105 freeway. Vast neighborhoods running from LAX to Norwalk were condemned to allow for construction of the freeway, and there were a lot of empty apartment buildings and empty swimming pools along that corridor in the mid-1980's.

    Being a skateboarder in those days, I know that all the empty swimming pools in vacant residences were a skateboarder's heaven.
     
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  7. Alleykins

    Alleykins Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, that makes sense.
     
  8. Sleuthster

    Sleuthster Verified - friend of Wendy Huggy

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    I was in Tarzana for a summer in 1980 and this was the first thing that came to mind when I read empty pool. I remember skateboarding in empty pools there .
     
  9. Romulus

    Romulus Well-Known Member

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    The police for first will probably have questioned the former owner of the apartment, without finding anything, at least I hope, if at time not is deceased.
     
  10. digitective

    digitective Well-Known Member

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    She only weighed 41 lbs?! Hoping it's a typo and they mean 141...
     
  11. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    it was skeletal. so maybe that was the weight of what was left.

     
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  12. digitective

    digitective Well-Known Member

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    Hm it says “estimate” (implying it’s an estimate of what the live person weighed?) and I thought when there are only skeletal remains, they usually don’t provide a weight, since it’s not really possible to determine from just bones. [emoji848]
     
  13. Moosebegoose

    Moosebegoose Active Member

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    Hi all,

    A few quick long shots, let me know what you think.


    Marie Sagasta
    Missing since April 8, 1985 from Los Angeles County, California
    Classification: Missing
    [HR][/HR]​
    Vital Statistics

    • Date Of Birth: May 29, 1947
    • Age at Time of Disappearance: 38 years old
    • Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 145 lbs.
    • Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Red hair; blue eyes.
    • Marks, Scars: Surgery scar on abdomen from navel to chest
    • Dentals: Available.
    • DNA: Available.
    [HR][/HR]​
    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Marie was last seen on April 8, 1985 in Los Angeles County. She had planned on taking a bus to Ontario, Oregon but never arrived at her destination.
    LINK : http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2885dfca.html


    • Fits the period
    • A little over height estimate
    • Right County

    Name: Linne Marie Dominelli
    Case Classification: Endangered Missing
    Missing Since: January 22, 1984
    Location Last Seen: Long Beach, Los Angeles County, California
    Physical Description
    Date of Birth: September 4, 1950
    Age: 33 years old
    Race: White
    Gender: Female
    Height: 5'1"-5'2"
    Weight: 105-115 lbs
    Hair Color: Blonde/Brown
    Eye Color: Hazel
    Nickname/Alias: Lynne Dominelli
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Long hair with Blonde hightlights
    Identifiers
    Dentals: Available
    Fingerprints: Available
    DNA: Available
    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: Unknown
    Jewelry: Unknown
    Additional Personal Items: 6.5 shoe size
    Circumstances of Disappearance
    Dominelli was last seen in Long Beach, CA on January 22, 1984. She borrowed her ex-boyfriend's van to travel to the Monterey Bay area. The van was found in a remote area of Paso Robles. Van was found with single key in ignition, unlocked, ransacked, and license plates removed. Foul play is suspected.

    LINK: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1146dfca.html


    • Fits the period
    • A little over height estimate
    • Right County
     
  14. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    0 Missing Person Exclusions
     
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  15. MadMcGoo

    MadMcGoo Well-Known Member

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    41 pounds seems like an oddly specific number for a human’s weight. According to several sources, an average adult skeleton makes up approximately 15% of the person’s total body weight. So if 41 lbs. was the weight of the bones, the person would have been somewhere around 300 lbs. These were “partial skeletal parts only”, but that number still doesn’t quite make sense to me. Could be a typo...I’m just a little curious now.
     
  16. Ajaxkid

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    Perhaps the weight was actually measured in kg and it was erroneously put in as lbs. That is still a petite size, as 41kg = 90lbs.
     
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  17. victoriarobinson642

    victoriarobinson642 Well-Known Member

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    I'm half tempted to reach out to the County of Los Angeles Department of Medical Examiner but LA is notoriously unresponsive, and we're also still mid-pandemic.
     
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  18. ChatteringBirds

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    Any chance now? :D
    I am bumping this sad case up.
    I find myself wondering -
    Is the Probable year of death really 1985 if she was found as partial skeletal in 1985?
    Do they have DNA? I assume not if no Rule-outs, though :(
    No clothing or any other clues?
    Based on the location do they suspect she went there on her own or was put there?
    Is this case closed or might they ever make an attempt to ID her?

    ETA: And sorry to ask but does anyone have a thought where might the rest of her have gone, since she wasn't out in nature / where there might be natural forces or animal activity?
    One reason I wonder about probable year of death. Could it be something unusual like medical specimen / artifact someone stashed there? I can't figure what kind of case this sounds like from what's in NamUs.
     
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