CA CA - Lydia "Dia" Abrams, 65, Idyllwild, 6 Jun 2020 #2

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Buttersbetter said:
David Gotfredson is the only person actually investigating. Thank you David Gotfredson!
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He investigates and reports on so many cases and issues in the San Diego County area. Impressive. I'd like to add my thanks to David Gotfredson for his continued investigation in Dia's and Jodi's cases. He deserves the recognition. ​

This is just a report he did when his own mother went to the over crowded ER.
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Dozens of patients treated in 'Hallway ER' at UCSD Health La Jolla

Nurses protested the conditions in March, but the use of hallways to treat patients continues.
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Dia's case is going to be featured on ID's show Disappeared on September 3, 2023.

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Disappeared: Season 11, Episode 2

Synopsis:Dia Abrams owns several properties in the Idyllwild community of California, including a sprawling 116-acre ranch; on June 6th, 2020, Dia tells her partner, Keith Harper, she will feed the horses and is never seen or heard from again.
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I’m new to this case, I’ve seen it on the boards but am only now visiting it since I watched the latest episode of Disappeared.
Something is very fishy with KH and Dia’s friend Diane. Dia goes missing, and instead of throwing their whole effort into finding her they’re trying their best to execute her will? When they don’t even know if she’s dead! They’re more concerned with pointing the fingers at the kids, who probably had good reason to not want to be around the ranch to begin with (just MOO, there’s always more to these stories).

Dia is missing and Diane is having a ‘OK Corral’ type showdown to not let Dia’s son into the house? What?! GET OUT THERE AND LOOK FOR HER!!

Those two…something ain’t right.

IMO
 
I saw Dia’s case on the new episode of “Disappeared”.

I hadn’t heard of her case until now, as it happened during the beginning of Covid, at which time I was planted solely in those threads.

I look forward to catching up in here and seeing if there’s anything that was not mentioned on “Disappeared”; I anticipate there will be.

The show certainly did paint some possible persons of interest, one is the person referenced by her friends who said “if anything happens to me, he did it”, (her son), and the other, her mate, who was the last one to see her and has a criminal background. The latter was able to produce the tears, and said “you don’t kill people you love, you kill people you don’t love”, but it seems to me he possibly had something to gain, after all he ended up with half the property, which ended up being split between him and her kids. The attorney for the kids said they had nothing to gain, because either they were set either way.

That is one hell of a property. Beautiful, worth millions and millions.

I don’t think this was a voluntary disappearance, as she left her dog and other animals, which according to the show, were very important to her.
 
I watched the Disappeared episode. How the heck did the so called boyfriend end up with half the estate? What did I miss? Did she change the will so the kids got nothing and the “boyfriend” received it all? Just doesn’t make sense to me. The kids lawyer rubbed me wrong - just too smooth talking. The boyfriend rubbed me wrong. And, her friends, especially the one Dia asked to be her executor, just threw up her hands and walked away? Surely, with that much money and property involved, there was a lawyer helping and advising her. So confusing.
 
Honest question: were the children merely trying to cut the self-titled fiancé off? As adult children might if a gullible parent were being catfished online?

Dia strikes me as a generally trusting person. Kind, good-hearted. Perhaps the children feared she was being taken advantage of and Dia felt it was controlling and unwarranted, assuming instead the best of people's intentions.

Maybe I'm way off but I don't feel like the children were trying to take it away from her so much as they didn't want him to get it.

Imagine if Dia was simply trusting. Didn't think someone who was so helpful had greedy, untoward motives. Her children saw red flags that she did not, creating tension between her and them. And nobody dreamed the worry was well-founded and that situation was fast on its way to deadly.

I think it's very possible that Dia was restrained, sedated, and removed from the property alive, only to be discarded after a long drive to a remote location.

Who saw Dia last? Start there.

Finish there.

Jmo
 
crussell821 said:
I’m new to this case, I’ve seen it on the boards but am only now visiting it since I watched the latest episode of Disappeared.
Something is very fishy with KH and Dia’s friend Diane. Dia goes missing, and instead of throwing their whole effort into finding her they’re trying their best to execute her will? When they don’t even know if she’s dead! They’re more concerned with pointing the fingers at the kids, who probably had good reason to not want to be around the ranch to begin with (just MOO, there’s always more to these stories).

Dia is missing and Diane is having a ‘OK Corral’ type showdown to not let Dia’s son into the house? What?! GET OUT THERE AND LOOK FOR HER!!

Those two…something ain’t right.

IMO
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Welcome . It's quite the mix of stories, essentially (and not at all trying or pretending to speak for the group) falling into the following scenarios (and all this from "memory" ... so I'll just MOO this all):

1. Dia just walked away.
Not much to support that, given her ties to the community. Also not seemingly "in character" (more of a fighter than a flighter)
She did seem to set things in motion to support a disappearance (setting up the trust with Harper and Fedder), (IIRC) there's an alleged note or two found saying she feared for her life, there's the allegation that her son tried to kill her while she was hospitalized, and there was the ongoing litigation between her and her kids about the Trust her now deceased husband (Clem) had set up. If she did leave, the question would be – did she have help? And if so, who?

2. Keith Harper (KH) did it.
On face value, the "most likely" scenario given his past, his reported "creepiness" around women, and the kid's apparent lack of knowledge of his existence until Dia actually went missing. No one actually seemed to know they were engaged. His portrayal of their relationship is pretty much unsubstantiated, and what he does say doesn't ring true with a lot of folks (eg saying he didn't involve himself in Dia's affairs although he also puts himself forward as her confidant). He had much to gain (the properties) from being the executor, but that's now been changed by the court. (It also seems odd that he would not wait until they were married, if that story is true). Also, his departing the ranch/state when the search parties showed up seems callous to many. The later suspicious death of Jodi Newkirk also plays into this. Notes in Jodi's journal (which I believe have been verified to be in her hand writing) support him being a player. Former ranch hand Isidro Garcia (?) also paints him unfavourably (racist; unkind). His comments over the years have also shown some inconsistencies.

For it not to be him, you basically have to take a lot of what he says – and his explanations – at face value. He's an old school gruff kinda guy who appears to not need the wealth, but much is unknown about his finances.

3. One or both of the kids (Clinton and/or Crisara) did it.
Tough one, as most agree that they were rarely at the property.
Crisara seems absent beyond dealing with the trusts and is rarely mentioned in the "who dunnit" chats.

Clinton figures prominently, and – much as with KH – a lot depends on if you take him on his word (he speaks to a deep love between him and mom, but often refers to her as Dia). There's an allegation that he tried to kill her when she was hospitalized, and there's the fact that Dia's latest change to her Trust removed him from any financial benefits. And there's the confusion surrounding what appeared to be the kid's purposefully causing Dia becoming more dependent on their good will or suffering for it (eg taking her truck away). Both KH and Fedder assert she was afraid of her kids/Clinton.

There's a lot to unpack about the backstory of Dia being kept away from the family business from the beginning, and her being taken care of via a separate trust – the nature of which changed during Trump's presidency, leading her to challenge it.

Then there's been a suggestion that the financing for the "Candlelight Project" may have figured into this (the kids needing money to keep the project going, and not counting on Dia challenging the trust and [perhaps] putting those plans in jeopardy).

So if one or both kids were involved, it was likely via a third party. But who? Who could approach Dia on her property that she would just trust to approach, leaving her wallet, phone, and dog in the house? (There's been negligible evidence to suggest there was a struggle on the premises).

4. Higher level
Diana Fedder ... "retired" Secret Service Special Agent who dealt with financial crimes "at the highest level". A coincidence that she becomes friends with Dia, the wife of a well known developer? That Dia was possibly privy to behind the scenes information? Did she help Dia disappear? This seemed possible early on, but were three years into this and it seems increasingly unlikely.

I'm certain to missing a few, but that's maybe a relatively useful survey. It's a case that many have taken a stronger than usual attachment to. I guess most of us feel Dia was a good person trying to navigate some crappy situations, and that she was NOT someone who deserved anything close to what appears to have happened to her.
 
I didn't watch, as I have no access to the latest ID show, but I don't need to watch it because I've followed this case right from the very start. When it started, Dia was one of 6 people missing from Idllywild. It saddens me greatly what happened to Dia and I feel she deserves more Justice.

To me, it's obvious in my mind, that there must've been some intricate plan to take Dia's life and estate away from her. The signing of new trustees two wks. before reeks of a plan in motion, IMO anyways. Three years have gone by and no arrests. :( This post is all MOO, no real conclusions.

If this was KH's plan to gain Dia's estate, then he sure has been bold and brazen about it, not fearing the fight the wealthy children would put up, not fearing an LE investigation. It's like he knew he could slide. Also, it seems more individuals are involved in the plan. The wrangling legal battles on both sides have been almost amateur, like children do, with the finger pointing. Investigations have gone no where. Who know? That, too, could be part of a plan.

Both parties pointing the finger at each other from the start and both stand to gain something now. All of them together agreeing to the Probate Settlement Agreement that splits Dia's estate over time, and they all are going to get a cut. Just makes you think.

KH & DF's main priority has been to spin the tale of Dia fearing for her life and not wanting the kids to get any of her estate. Oh, and that stupid truck story.

Dia's Son & Daughter are, in turn, casting shade and suspicion on KH and DF. Son says others may be involved even suggesting third parties working with KH.

What I remember is the first year Dia was missing, the children didn't use media to make any pleas to the public for help finding Dia. What statements they did make back then were short and unemotional. IIRC, her kids hadn't visited Dia up at the ranch for over a year. I didn't feel the love then, the first year.

KH was all over the news claiming he was engaged to Dia, even gave the future wedding date. Although, no one ever confirmed Dia mentioning she was getting married soon. KH did offer a reward, but maybe he didn't expect anyone to be able to claim it.

Quite the charmer, or so he thinks, quite talkative giving details that never were confirmed. (He & Dia met with a water heater guy the morning she disappeared. He was mowing the pasture for hrs. She may have walked to reign in the horses.)

No reward offered by the children back then. There were legal contentions between Dia and her children. They had not been legally notified, and didn't even know she had changed her trustee paperwork, and IMO that paperwork was sloppy and suspect too. I can't understand how the investigation has gone nowhere. Yes, I'm suspicious of everything in this case, and also the death of Jodi Newkirk. National attention isn't needed to solve this, but I do wonder why local LE can't solve it.

Please, this is all my own thoughts and opinions. ​
 
tarabull said:
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Missing woman Dia Abrams gets national exposure on ID network

Hour-long documentary to air as court battle continues over Abrams’ estate.
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This part seems like good news. The judge is unhappy with the lack of current financial records and is removing Harper as a co-trustee of the estate.

“We know that there's income being derived there. We don't know where it's gone. We know there was a lot of money spent. We don’t know how it was spent. Mr. Harper indicated he's loaned money to the estate. We have no idea what those loans are, nor any evidence of that,” attorney Michael Wachtell told the judge.

Riverside County Superior Court Judge Russell Moore ordered Harper to turn over a long list of accounting records related to Abrams’ estate by Sept. 22.

Moore then set a Nov. 5 hearing date on a motion filed by Invenz to remove Harper as co-trustee of the Abrams estate.
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Otherwise I agree with @sleuther007 and @Curious Me . From the beginning, it hasn't seemed like anyone was looking out for Dia's best interests. No one had a good, clear explanation for what happened the day she disappeared, nor was there much effort expended to find her.
 
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Betty P said:
This part seems like good news. The judge is unhappy with the lack of current financial records and is removing Harper as a co-trustee of the estate.



Otherwise I agree with @sleuther007 and @Curious Me . From the beginning, it hasn't seemed like anyone was looking out for Dia's best interests. No one had a good, clear explanation for what happened the day she disappeared, nor was there much effort expended to find her.
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Nov. 5th is a Sunday.... ??

I can not access the article - is it an old one or new?
 
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