CA - Mass casualty incident, 5+ stabbed at Neo-Nazi rally, Sacramento, 26 June 2016

Discussion in 'Crimes in the News' started by 0101ABA, Jun 26, 2016.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

    Messages:
    6,395
    Likes Received:
    6,719
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, if they were being used for self defense, then they were very likely being used as weapons. An earlier article quoted upthread mentions someone being stabbed with a flag pole. That sounds more weapon than shield.
     


  2. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    What would you suggest is the appropriate response to a rally by a group with whom you disagree?

    Violence? Or non-violence?
     
  3. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Well, if you're being chased down by violent anarcho-fascists who are throwing bricks and rocks at you, and all you have to defend yourself with is a flag on a pole, you might well need to use the pole as a self-defense weapon. When people are attacking you, you may have to use whatever you have at hand.
     
  4. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    The America bashing is tired and stale. It does, however, reveal much.
     
  5. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

    Messages:
    6,395
    Likes Received:
    6,719
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah the point was a post corrected someone for referring to the flags as being used as weapons by specifying they were being used in self defense... which indicates they were being used as weapons so.... Correction = moot


    Eta: 2 different posters
     
  6. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    It sounds like the "black bloc" mobs have been engaging in violence all over the world. Not a uniquely American phenomenon by any means. I guess some might consider their tactics mainstream, but based on what I've read about them, I'd consider them more radical than mainstream.
     
  7. formerjerseygirl

    formerjerseygirl Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    654
    Likes Received:
    752
    Trophy Points:
    93
  8. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    That further confirms the various quotes I posted above in posts 9, 11 & 12 -- from multiple difference sources, all saying that it was the "counter protesters" who started the violence.

    Using violence and engaging in mob attacks against people we disagree with is not America. It's not who we are. This kind of thing absolutely cannot be tolerated.
     
  9. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

    Messages:
    19,147
    Likes Received:
    9,335
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Paying attention in history class, and to current events?
     
  10. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Nope. That's not at all what it reveals.
     
  11. BayouBelle_LA

    BayouBelle_LA Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,829
    Likes Received:
    12,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I think I understand your point in reference to the Neo Nazi rally - that it's ok to violently attack those whose speech you hate.
     
  12. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

    Messages:
    19,147
    Likes Received:
    9,335
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where fascism meets anarchy. And where violence is inevitable.
     
  13. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    That is the logical interpretation of the post in question.

    The message of these anarcho-fascists seems to be: "You're hateful and violent. We're tolerant and loving. Therefore, we're justified in using hate and violence to beat the living crap out of you until you agree with us."

    It alarms me that people who think like this have supporters who think this is mainstream.
     
  14. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Violence was not inevitable until the violent hate group Antifa showed up.

    Seriously... does anyone really think the lame little group of 30 white supremists would have done anything but march around with their signs and yell some slogans, if they had been allowed to hold their lame little rally? Would they have looted? Destroyed property? Punched little old ladies? No. They would have marched around for a bit with signs and then gone home.

    The loving, tolerant, inclusive anarcho-fascists are the ones who brought violence to Sacramento.
     
  15. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

    Messages:
    19,147
    Likes Received:
    9,335
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am not picking sides in this fight. You must be kidding.

    I know the anti-fascists went looking for a fight, but I have zero sympathy for hate groups.

    I agree with Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at Cal State San Bernardino, who said:

    “Make no mistake – I think the hatemongers wanted to have this violence take place,” Levin said. “And some of the anti-fascists very much wanted to have a violent confrontation.”
     
  16. human

    human Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    23,614
    Likes Received:
    27,964
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Um, so you are saying none of these things happened or because America did it it is OK?
     
  17. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I too have zero sympathy for hate groups.

    My sympathy for hate groups who spew noxious vile words is pegged at zero.

    But my sympathy for hate groups (or love groups, for that matter) who use violence to shut down those who they disagree with is about 100 below zero.

    I don't understand why some people have so much trouble outright condemning the use of violence to achieve one's political goals. There always has to be a "but." Or an insinuation that it was somehow justified.

    I also don't understand the constant America bashing by some posters here. As if no other country has violence. As if no other country's government has ever used unjustified violence against its citizens. As if the rest of the world is perfect, and America is the only country that fails to measure up.
     
  18. human

    human Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    23,614
    Likes Received:
    27,964
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where does the tolerant and loving idea come from? People are tolerant of 6 million Jewish men, women, and children being tortured and killed? Neo Nazis are all for that. And anyone who opposes that is theorectically loving and tolerant?

    I doubt if the court that convicted the latest Nazi was loving and tolerant

    Where does the idea come from that people that are abused should simply take it?

    When black people in the 60's were no longer going to take it and got weapons, then those weapons were made illegal.
     
  19. sonjay

    sonjay Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,608
    Likes Received:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    63
    I'm saying that the America bashing is tired and stale. It's permitted in America because of our strong protections of free speech, but in many other countries it would get you thrown in jail.

    Are you saying that because those things have happened in America, that the antifa group is justified in using violence to achieve its political goals? Are you saying that, or merely trying to imply that?
     
  20. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    19,341
    Likes Received:
    21,840
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes it does.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice