CA - Massive fire at Oakland warehouse party, 36 dead, 2 Dec 2016 #1

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  1. MsMarple

    MsMarple Well-Known Member

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    http://abc7news.com/live/

    PC starting soon. They're doing mic checks. The guy speaking says they're on target for a 2:30 start time.
     


  2. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Fox

    Educate us. I do not really know what half an inch of rain is going to do to a huge structure, already weakened, with no roof, to this whole mess.

    Is this gonna be a horrid next step?

    We all know "water" and forensics are a horrible mess

    what does half an inch of rain translate to in the whole picture realistically


    Is it gonna turn into more stuff collapsing, re burying all the stuff they have tried to remove??

    Tia
     
  3. MsMarple

    MsMarple Well-Known Member

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    100% agreement here! Like I said earlier, that so-called staircase alone is enough IMO to bring manslaughter charges aganst Derick I/A. And I hope any civil suits get filed ASAP in order to freeze the owner's assets.
     
  4. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    At the point where it is scary every presser but grateful also
     
  5. Greybeard2016

    Greybeard2016 Verified Detective

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    Any report of the cause of the fire?
     
  6. MsMarple

    MsMarple Well-Known Member

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    Still waiting... the guy speaking to press is asking media to back off asking about the deputy's son who died in the fire during the pc - he says the family has been innundated from people asking for info. :(
     
  7. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    This is happening in other locations as well. Naples, Fla. for one. They have a hard time finding people to work in the businesses there. I've been going there since I was a child and the locals who have lived there all of their lives are having a hard time affording to live there now. To just casually say, well they should just move, is fairly uncaring and easier said than done. When they do move, it does not help the businesses there in Naples b/c the labor moved over an hour away. I've known folks all my life who could not afford to rent/buy even in my rural, fairly low cost of living, area. They live in rentals that are not what I'd deem safe, but were a roof over their heads. To come up with first, last, and deposit is easier said than done many times. Call them slum lords if you will, and yes, they probably are, but, if there wasn't a customer base, or need for cheap housing, slum lords wouldn't exist.
     
  8. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Not yet.
     
  9. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    What I am curious about is in the context of building code ,as this was going on and on and on and on could they have closed it down? Or does it become this everlasting nonsense- that is my anguish if code people could REALLY do anything that could have stopped the progression of this pig sty, or is it a parking ticket
     
  10. MsMarple

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    Hopefully we'll get some idea. I read earlier that the point of origin was downstairs under the second-floor dance area. I don't know how accurate that report was though. My guess is electrical, maybe due to the sound system - imagine running three or four microwaves on high power while they're plugged into a 200 foot extension cord - that's the kind of wattage a sound system pulls.

    Still waiting... final mic check...
     
  11. Rallibella

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    Joining the thread - first off my condolences to everyone.

    Having some experience in CA tenant law, I can say that the judicial system in CA HEAVILY leans towards residents - even in unlawful residences. Judges are very hesitant to evict anyone. Even if the local county tried to take the owner to court to have them evict these individuals, it's not a simple or quick process. It would likely take upwards of 6 months to get a court date, then you are dealing with having the authorities actually gain access to do the eviction, then the owner is responsible to ensure people don't move right back in...

    While the city holds blame here, it's the overall process that is at fault. The owner and the residents here knew it was unlikely the law would be after them because that's not how things tend to work in CA.
     
  12. MsMarple

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    Starting... Donna Watson PIO speaking.
     
  13. cvaldez1975

    cvaldez1975 Well-Known Member

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    exactly. there are still groups of RV's parked near the airport and all over town in various states of repair and im sure you heard about the infamous "jungle" tent city near Wal Mart on Story/Keyes. I pay 2800 for a 4/2 that needs upgrading BAD and its only that low because I have lived there for 5 years. it really sucks being stuck paying this crap.

     
  14. Rallibella

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    This DA lady is bothering me. Her speech is very... I don't know. It just sounds "campaign-y" to me whenever someone goes on the "no stone unturned" line.
     
  15. cvaldez1975

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    this is true however urban areas tend to be hubs for the artists.

     
  16. MsMarple

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    877-288-2882 - hotline number.
    510-272-6180 for victim families.*

    * goes to http://www.alcoda.org/victim_witness/contact_information

     
  17. LaborOfLobe

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    Working with ATF to locate origin of fire
    75% debris removal complete
    36 bodies, ID'D 33.
    DA is talking about an expert in "land and property use"
    Mindful that it's a potential crime scene
    Too early to speculate on charges, being methodical and looking at all potential evidence
    The charges could be anything from murder to inv. manslaughter...can't say yet pending investigation
    They will leave no stone unturned
    Following up on every lead regarding this property or individuals in it
    Set up a hotline #
    Want tips and also have resources for family member's expenses (counseling, burial)
    I missed the number!
     
  18. mistivon

    mistivon Verified Insider - Maricela Garcia

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    75 percent debris removal complete. 36 recovered. 16 families notified, 5 pending. 22 autopsies completed. Unsure on charges. Evidence being preserved. Could be involuntary manslaughter to murder.
     
  19. Rallibella

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    Seriously, this press conference has become very political now. Anyone else feeling that?
     
  20. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    You're so right... I was thinking that it could have been a candle that fell over/on the floor/into a wastebasket, etc. There prolly were candles burning that night...

    The owner/manager of that building is/are gonna be in court for a big class-action or individual wrongful-death cases for years, IMO. I'm sure the lawyers are lining up cases, as they prolly should. JMHO
     
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