CA - Massive fire at Oakland warehouse party, 36 dead, 2 Dec 2016 #2

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  1. Rallibella

    Rallibella Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's typically all the city can do. CA makes it very difficult to do much. Because rental rates are so high, judges don't want to evict. We had someone squatting in a property for well over a year because they claimed they had a lease even though it wasn't with us and they never provided a copy.
     


  2. Rallibella

    Rallibella Well-Known Member

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    He also lost his children to CPS in 2015 only to get them back this year. Not sure how they proved they were no longer residing at the warehouse which was a point of contention in the first place.
     
  3. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    oh passion

    well here we go.........

    . It all sounds like a soap opera. A lady who was living in the fire trap called CPS on there kids being in there.

    He retaliated and threw her out. He stole a stolen rv thing. She went looking around the place he was living at the time.

    She found the RV and put him under citizens arrest and he pleaded it out.

    There is some assault stuff in there as well

    chapter one!
     
  4. crhedBngr

    crhedBngr Attempting to Keep Calm and Carry On.

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    Gitana1:

    You are your family are in my thoughts and prayers.

    Huge Cyber {{{HUG}}} to all of you!

    Julie
     
  5. LaborOfLobe

    LaborOfLobe Active Member

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    Mr. Lobe is telling me know how the fire at the MGM Grand (1980?) changed the codes. That building was up to the existing codes, but they turned out to be insufficient. Such things as fire caulking came into place after that. The mistakes were learned from, and things changed.
    Here we're dealing with something different. This building was a code-breaking disaster and somebody, or a lot of somebodies, dropped the ball. We don't know yet if the code folks' hands were tied, if they were looking the other way, or what. I hope whatever is going on with this mess will be revealed in the criminal investigation.

    Again, my heart is breaking for gitana and her family and thankful that blue22's sister made it out alive. This story, and the loss of these beautiful, creative people is hurting me to me core. Bless them all.
     
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    My heart goes out to you, your brother, your family and Jennifer's family. May you all be embraced by strength, peace and comfort . On my prayers. Hugs.
     
  7. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    86-year-old building taking up almost 10,000 square feet


     
  8. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    Hello Gitana,
    Just want to ditto the same exact words that Spellbound so elequently stated above. We are sharing in the heartache and offering our prayers for comfort for you and your brother and extended family members.
     
  9. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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  10. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    Videos of the aftermath:

    The Oakland Aftermath
    http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/debris-is-now-75-percent-removed-after-oakland-fire/





    Fire Devastation in CA ( buckets used to separate belongings from human remains) (attached diagrams, yellow circles = stairs)
    http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/fire-devastation-in-oakland-ca-after-warehouse-fire/



    Inside the Ghost Ship (shows police inside the building in October, to access the roof of a neighboring building) (during events, back stairway would be "blocked to keep people from tripping over the electrical cords that would run down the back stairway"). (The owner of the building, Ng, has five other buildings in the area)

    http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/complaints-of-trash-pileup-illegal-construction-in-warehouse/

     

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    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Not saying I understand either the fine print or nuances of Oakland code enforcement but imagine like many municipal or gov't procedures, it works more slowly than anyone outside the system would expect.

    This link describes the city's enforcement services which uses "progressive enforcement" to follow up on complaints:
    http://www2.oaklandnet.com/government/o/PBN/OurServices/CityCodeEnforcement/CodeEnforce/index.htm

    I cannot copy & paste from link (for what-ev reason) but it lists types of cases, such as blight, bldg code & zoning, then details "courtesy notices," notices of violations, repeat violation notices, compliance plans, then violation appeals. Of course all that occurs before any actual court procedures.

    As some in this thread noted sometimes/often in the US these cases drag on for many months or years. IIRC, the tenant (forgot name) who purportedly signed lease for property as 'warehouse' executed lease ~ 3 yrs ago. Maybe at time of signing, prop met code. For a commercial bldg, is there a muni inspection, after change in tenancy, or annually? IDK. Maybe a fire marshal inspection? IDK.

    Regardless, unbearably sad.

    I
     
  13. EstrellaEspectral

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    People have said that when they would book the place to throw a show, DI would give them a price. Then when they got there and loaded their expensive lighting and sound equipment in, he would double the price and if they refused, he would kick them out and take their equipment. Shady rave promoter. Sadly the world has a lot of them, but hopefully they will throw the book at DI and make an example out of him.

    I look back in horror at all the warehouse parties I went to in my younger years and how unsafe they were. I'm praying that it will change. We aren't going to stop them from happening, but we can hopefully make them more safe for our youth.
     
  14. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    I will tell ya - pretty tough to make me speechless! Surprise!!

    They are gonna run. The belief systems they both verbalized in these videos are astounding. IMO, belief systems pretty well control thinking and behaving.

    They truly can not locate any responsibility. The world is against them. They were saviors -- that is just not in touch with reality.

    The super scary part tho IMO, is their aa@ is on the line. Even then they can't at least say one thing comforting to any other homospaean-- that is truly chilling .

    Trully chilling..............

    They. can. not. do.it.

    wow................................
     
  15. Spellbound

    Spellbound falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

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    Getting to know Jennifer Mendiola

    One of those missing is a woman with ties to Sacramento. Jennifer Mendiola, 35, attended Friday night’s dance party and has not been heard from since, said her sister-in-law Anna Mendiola of Orange County.
    “We are assuming the worst,” Anna Mendiola said. “Her phone has been dead.”
    Jennifer Mendiola graduated from California State University, Sacramento, in 2010 with a master’s degree in psychology and was due to graduate from UC Merced in 2017, according to a brief biography on the university’s website.
    Her sister-in-law said Jennifer Mendiola balanced her school and work life, maintaining her studies and knowing when to have fun.
    “She just loved life, and she loved going out dancing,” Anna Mendiola said. “She was adventurous.”
    http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article118875048.html
    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article118875048.html#storylink=cpy
    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article118875048.html#storylink=cpy
     
  16. Lilibet

    Lilibet Well-Known Member

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    I am so sorry Gitana. I have no words for the extra sadness you and your family are enduring. All I can do is wrap you in love and hugs and prayer. :heartbeat:
     
  17. CARIIS

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    Vulnerable people who need a place to feel free, a man who appears to give them that place, a city-wide appeal for more vulnerable and exploited people to come and hang out at his safe space.

    An absolute tragedy for everyone involved whether victim or first responder.

    And who is Derrick Ion?

    IMO he's a cult leader, a junkie, a narcissist and someone who had no qualms whatsoever enticing vulnerable members of the Oakland community to invest in his palace of wonders, all the while knowing it was a house of cards. JMO.

    Whoever posted above about Koresh? Yeah, I think you may be onto something.
     
  19. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    I spoke to a prosecutor friend of mine tonight from a different county. She said LE will be keeping a very close eye on him.
     
  20. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Derick Ion Almena (March 2015 arrest photo) said that he and his wife feel that they are being unfairly blamed for the tragedy that has claimed at least 36 lives

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...arehouse-tragedy-killed-36.html#ixzz4S28lWhfl
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    'I gladly would give my entire life of fortune, of wealth, of experience again, again and again…I would surrender everything,' Almena said.
    He said he didn't 'know anything about this event, other than okay I’m mopping for it; I’m dusting; I’m cleaning; I’m getting it beautiful'.


    lmena said the group was made up of young artists called Satya Yuga, and that he was like the group's grandfather.
    'The center we all lived there, and was one of creativity, and beauty, and optimism,' Almena said.


    saying the father-of-three should be in prison.
    Michael Allison said he and other family members had staged an intervention 18 months ago in the hope of helping Allison deal with drug use which had left 'her hands like claws'.
    He said that he thinks child protective services 'dropped the ball' by letting his daughter and Almena have their children back.

    'Someone obviously dropped the ball between LA Child Protective Services and the Oakland one. They were clearly not communicating, there was no follow up apparently.'

    Photographer Chris Nechodom, who was at the dance party, said people first thought the smoke was coming from a fog machine



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