Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by margarita25, Nov 8, 2018.
Heart and thoughts are with you and all your friends xx
It's clear that the shooter's mother was concerned. I wonder if she was informed about California's 'red flag' law.
5 states have ‘red flag laws’ allowing courts to take guns from people deemed a threat
In 2014, California became the first state to let family members ask a judge to remove firearms from a relative who appears to pose a threat. Its legislature took action after a mentally ill man, Elliot Rodger, killed six students and wounded 13 others near the University of California, Santa Barbara, before killing himself.
California’s law also empowers police to petition for the protective orders, which can require authorities to remove firearms for up to one year. Connecticut, Indiana, Oregon and Washington also have some version of a red flag law.
Medication is given all over the world. Mental health is an issue everywhere. Japan, Europe, Britain. People take psychotropic drugs.
The rest of the world uses psychotropic drugs as well.
I can't even begin to imagine how awful that waiting for news would be. Makes me feel sick even thinking about it xx
Regarding the PTSD- There was a show on PBS this week showing
the problems of a vet w/ PTSD. I was totally shocked when it
showed the vet lining up all 30 of his medications that he was taking daily. And he got more in the mail that same day.
The vet also mentioned the various mood swings that he knew
the pills caused him to have.
I wonder if the drugs these returning vets get prescribed aren't
contributing to their problems in their home lives????
Dat be me.
I knew this shooter would be in his 20s MOO and I figured he used a Glock when initial reports were saying handgun (about 20 years ago I used to have a Glock 17 9mm with an extended clip that could shoot 17 rounds). I had wondered about an Oozie but those are so heavy and old school gangster.
Glocks are lighter weight, often choice/issued for Law Enforcement.
How The Glock Became America's Weapon Of Choice
I think everyone genetically is made different so reactions in one will be different in others.. 30 medications is a significant amount... And I am no doctor but that seems excessive xx
In MN where I lived, off duty police were required to wear their guns. Is this the case there?
This is a good question,
firearms are not allowed in places where they sell alcohol as I understand it (note to check ATF site), but if they were LE I don’t know.
good question. But many bars today are gun free zones and have
metal detectors at the door. This one did have at least one security
guard on duty that night.
Research shows several in shootings were vets, IMO.
Probably every vet needs exit assesment and some kind of mental health help be it just a little or a lot.
Iirc Glock’s don’t set off metal detectors...not sure if it’s an old wive’s tale or not..I used to remember old discussions about this back in the day. What about the firing pin, etc...note to look up.
I was reading a story that said this bar was very popular with police and military.
How many security people did they have there?
This particularly shooting for me is Shades of Pulse meets Vegas (well and Yoga considering he is a vet.)
I feel like this is a good time to bring forward again one of my favorite things I’ve heard on WS which was the last comment made on slain officer Montrell Jackson's fb (e was killed shortly after in the Louisiana race riots”:
“Do not let hate infect your heart”.
Watching the Ventura Sherriff speak last night was gut wrenching. His tears and him talking about Sargeant Helus.
He made a similar comment the Pittsburgh mayor made iirc, which was something along the lines of we can not rationize the irrational, that these guys ARE terrorists and that they ARE mentally ill.
What they all have in common is the desire to kill innocent people at random in one setting. So, it seems like the solution is fixing that desire.
I am inclined to think these shooters not only lack a conscience (which is different from mental illness) but also the "relative morality" that seems to pervade our society.
What may have seemed right to Long, the shooter, can be considered wrong by the rest of the nation, perhaps to many other nations.
When I said 12 days ago in Pittsburgh that these shootings were going to rise no waaaay could I have imagined next would come 3 more (yoga, detox center and night club) within 12 days.
Here’s my big worry guys (in addition to the current problem at hand):
We know that these mass shooters usually either a)kill themselves b)are neutralized c)taken into custody.
Long story short—right now there is a clear distinction between serial shooters and mass shooters-one of these days the shooter is going to get away and then guess what, then we are going to have a “serial mass shooter”. And that’s going to be messssssed up (not that this already isn’t, ykwim.)
Everything is jmo, moo.