CA - Off Duty Police Officer shoots man and parents after altercation in Costco, Corona, June 2019

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  1. jjenny

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    OK, so under Ca law he doesn't have a duty to retreat. However I don't see anywhere that he is also allowed to shoot his attacker's parents.
     
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    Thank you for this. So, I wonder if he called for help first before firing 6-7 shots, and how that plays into the"believing he needed to use force", and "using no more force than necessary". I imagine the setting (a crowded store) is relevant if the person or persons he believed were attacking him were unarmed.
     
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    So apparently there was enough time between the shove and the shooting for the father to try to talk to the cop? Is that the argument people believed they heard?

    "Galipo told reporters in various interviews that French -- having recently been taken off his medications due to health reasons -- pushed or shoved the officer in the back in a food-sample line, but he denied that there was any deadly threat to the officer. He also said French's father tried to explain to the officer that his son was intellectually disabled."
    Conflicting Accounts Emerge In Off-Duty Cop's Triple Shooting
     
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  4. Reasonable & Just

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    Also, 6-7 shots...how does that play in to necessary amount of force? Did he believe the parents were attacking him, too? Were they shielding their son? If so, why keep firing at them? We really need more facts (and a tape). Either way, what a miserable mess :( The shooter's family must be traumatized as well.
     
  5. BelleIsle

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    I guess we'll see what the video says. I can only imagine that the officer and his baby were on the ground and a huge man was coming at them in a menacing manner. But, that's just in my imagination at this point.
     
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    Yes, I agree.
     
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  7. jjenny

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    Per the defense lawyer for the victim's family, father of the victim supposedly was trying to explain to the cop that the victim was mentally disabled. Nobody (even cop's own defense lawyer) so far claimed parents did anything to attack the cop.
     
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    Attacking another member is not allowed. Some antagonistic and inflammatory posts have been removed.

    If you can't be totally respectful to others, then don't post.

    Also, it is NOT necessary to respond to every single post. Scroll and roll ... without stopping enroute to make some rude, caustic or personalized comment.
     
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    Thread is open again.
     
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  10. Eclipse

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    Still reading/catching up. If another parent was there- that would eliminate the only protection of the child thoughts I had. Sometimes I think police officers/people with guns panic when someone is coming at them/in the act of overpowering them because they fear the gun will be taken from them and used against them.
     
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  11. BelleIsle

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    I've seen something similar to this happen at a restaurant, but from a seated position. Dad was holding baby, leaning back in flimsy plastic chair with a cracked leg (unbeknownst to him), which broke. Dad falls backwards, while holding baby, someone to the side grabs baby from his arms. Dad was Mr. Isle , he somehow began to fall backwards and ended up hurting his knees! It was years ago, and he did not lose consciousness, I was more giving an example of falling with a baby in your arms and managing to cradle the baby/have someone grab the baby. The ER released him with a prescription for what was basically high dose tylenol. Days later he did have bruising and stiffness. We really need to see this video in order to understand if the Officer's lawyer is exaggerating.
     
  12. Jessthinkin

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    First off, I truly hope there’s some surveillance video of this....

    Secondly, it did occur to me that if what the off duty police officer’s lawyer said today (that his client had been struck in the back of the head prior to the shooting) is true, it could have ‘triggered’ him to react in a way he normally wouldn’t. Possible context: days earlier, another off duty LA area police officer was waiting for food at the counter of a fast food restaurant when a man approached from behind and shot him in the head.

    There’s got to be more to this tragedy than what meets the eye at this point... :(
     
  13. BelleIsle

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    As far as French's father trying to tell SS that his son was disabled, I can totally see this happening. Where are the witness statements? Is no one talking to the media?

    Did it play out like: Officer is down, fires a couple of shots, French continues to come toward him/is on top of him somehow, Dad yells "Stop! He doesn't know what he did!", jumps in front of mom and son, SS isn't listening/is groggy at this point, complete flight or fight, fires five more shots?

    Or, SS down, pulls gun, French is just standing there either having a meltdown or not, dad says, "My son is disabled! Please don't shoot!" SS goes berserk, shoots to kill as parents step in to shield French?

    Maybe somewhere in between?

    I do wonder if French's parents had ever seen their son act in a physically threatening manner before this incident, in pubic or private situations. Same goes for SS, would like to know his history as far as work related incidents, or possible PTSD.
     
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    Forensics can give info on whether a shot was from above or below - anyone know if it would also provide clues whether the person (who was shot) is moving toward the gun or was standing still?

    I've never really thought about Costco having security cameras (it seems so obvious now that they would) but even without video of the whole incident, there should other evidence like the 6 or 7 bullets and/or bullet wounds. Also, does Costco's security cameras include audio? I saw an article where the cop's lawyer says that the cop did say he is an officer before shooting - without audio, it might not be clear from a (silent) video what the officer is saying.
     
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    Is "SS" the initials of the officer? I thought that his name hasn't been released yet?
     
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    Yes, those are officer's initials. The name has been published in msm (according to sources) but not officially released by police.
     
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    There is a video from what has been reported.
     
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    Salvador Sanchez.
     
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    I think we need a link from MSM of the officers name.
     
  20. jjenny

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    I posted several upthread.
     
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