CA CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020 #3

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  1. swanniee11

    swanniee11 Well-Known Member

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    I finally watched the interview. Excellent job all the way around.
    O/T- I like the chiefs ringtone.
    IMO, parents were asked to take a lie detector and declined. I agree with above comments that they would have been speaking out on that. Do the parents have a lawyer that we know of?
     


  2. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    BBM I don't think that's what TW said, though. I'm not going to go back and re-listen to it but if I recall, he said, "They couldn't have gotten away that fast." And, JW said they didn't just roam around "these patches." She said she thinks they definitely would have been picked up "or somethin'."

    Anyway, I'm not so sure that I wouldn't have left that house as well if there were people on my driveway yelling and screaming, rocks coming in the window, and death threats being made. I think I'd prefer that LE be able to focus on finding my children rather than deal with those unnecessary distractions. MOO
     
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  3. Rachelj1

    Rachelj1 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you it does not look like it at all that they think those kids were abducted does it?

    moo
     
  4. Rachelj1

    Rachelj1 Well-Known Member

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    That’s what I think to . I think it’s odd those kids haven’t been able to go back to another family member .

    moo
     
  5. Rachelj1

    Rachelj1 Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever heard that old saying it’s always trafficking until it’s not. So normally I am like the last person to ever think that’s the case. I always use that as like a last resort. So it’s hard for me to think about two little boys that young being trafficked also, but you know in this particular case nothing would surprise me with J and TW to be honest.. and that scares me .


    Moo
     
  6. Vae Victus

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    You make a great point that I was going to make too! Did you catch that at 13:11-13:17 | California City Police Chief full 30 minute interview ?? The Wests have come in multiple times (3x) for questioning and Walker made sure to really emphasize the word "here" even with a hand gesture. So does this mean that BPD has questioned them at their station too? If BPD is just helping in a periphery sense like Walker stated during his first and second interviews with their labs, searches, and evidence processing, etc. what reason would they have to interrogate the Wests if CCPD is the lead? Unless that's commonplace idk. If not the BPD maybe the FBI took them for questioning somewhere? Either way, I thought that the emphasis of "here" was noteworthy. Could be nothing though lol.
     
  7. Lyanna

    Lyanna Well-Known Member

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    In Leila Cavett's case, her little boy wasn't placed with family straight away, maybe for housing checks, checking whether the family would be able to support him through his traumatic experience etc. maybe its the same for these children?

    Eta - in all honesty though I think there is a possibility other children may have shared info that is important to what happened to O and O and thats why they not with extended family etc.

    Imo
     
  8. nannymo

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    I guess there is a possibility a crime was committed in BPD district?
     
  9. LietKynes

    LietKynes Well-Known Member

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    I find that odd as well.
    CPS usually will place children with relatives if applicable.
    Imo.
     
  10. LietKynes

    LietKynes Well-Known Member

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    Good catch, @Vae Victus !
    I also thought he wanted to emphasize that the investigation is ongoing and is nowhere near 'cold'.
    Not that any of us here thought that -- more like letting the public (and maybe certain people) know LE are inspecting every minutiae of what happened to Orrin and Orson ?
    Different agencies are working tirelessly to either rescue the boys or seek justice.
    I find that reassuring !
    Imo.
     
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  11. mickey2942

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    I am not a fan of lie detectors. I have "failed" several. Which, after a lot of research, has made me conclude that they are really a psychological tool to get people to confess. And hard core liars, can pass a lie detector test with flying colors.

    What will happen if they do not find these children?
     
  12. LietKynes

    LietKynes Well-Known Member

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    bbm
    Excellent point about the ego.
    Wonder if those boys --all of them-- were under a strict household ?
    Afraid to disobey or get out of line lest the AP's suddenly snap and lose it ?
    By now LE would know .. if they've been able to interview them without family present.

    Re. the green bolded : I never thought of that angle.
    However, if they did go missing at the same time, it points more to a planned event and and not a spur of the moment coverup.
    Imo.
     
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    LE said they brought in "all types of dogs" and they have the family's van. Wouldn't that rule out a hot car death if the cadaver dogs failed to hit on the van?
     
  14. Vae Victus

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    According to Bayan Wang's update on FB we have LE back at the West house currently. | Bayan Wang 23ABC

    "INVESTIGATION: Authorities from various agencies are gathering "statistical" data Friday of the perimeter of the California City home where two toddler brothers were reporting missing. Cal City Police Chief Jon Walker told me they are using drone imaging and also gathering more information of the back gate of the home, which the adoptive parents of the boys said was left open, when the boys went missing Dec. 21."

    What do you guys think the drone imaging would be for this late into the investigation? In your opinions?
     
  15. Frodosdojo

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    I have another question for everyone - if Chief is correct and two of the kids were foster kids, then could an upcoming CPS visit be the reason the parents may have come up with the story about Orsin and Orrin ? I'm actually relieved to hear the 4 kids are still in protective custody. I just don't feel like they would be safe at home. IMO.

    LE has had the phones for a month now so would you agree that is enough time to get everything they needed off of them ?
     
  16. imstilla.grandma

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    *statistical??
     
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  18. Rachelj1

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    Hey , sorry I should of replied separately but I’m super surprised they got their phones back . I’m thinking there must of not been much on them !

    moo
     
  19. Frodosdojo

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    Maybe they are writing up the affidavit and gathering all data ? Just hopeful here.
     
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    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    Looking at vegetation, sediment or underground water.
    3-D map?
     
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