CA CA - Orson & Orrin West (3&4), California City, 21 Dec 2020

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  1. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    moo: I believe the little boys are no longer with us due to the adoptive parent’s neglect. From moment one of their interview, it was clear to me that his explanation was one of overcompensating to appear caring, careful and watchful. How long did it take for the backyard to be dug up with jackhammers? Not very long. Why? LeTecia Stauch told investigators Gannon might have been in the backyard and went out the gate. Did LE dig up her backyard with jackhammers within the first couple of days? No. Idk what could have happened but I do believe the adoptive parents know the boys aren’t coming back to them. Ever.
     
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  2. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, we adopted both of our children in Los Angeles County. We receive NOTHING from the state. And it was expensive to legalise the adoptions. It certainly wasn't a money making venture on our part.

    But we adopted our kids at birth, in private adoptions. So that is probably why there is no stipend.
     
  3. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    I think that 'basic rate' is only for children in state care or foster care at the time of the adoption. It does not include children not in state care.

    So there are MANY adoptive parents who receive no pay at all for caring for their children.
     
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  4. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    “We haven’t been able to put together how the boys got out of the yard or where they’ve gone, but we’re doing our best,” he said.

    So far the investigation is still centered around the Wests’ home and has not expanded out to the surrounding desert area.

    “It’s been my experience, especially with small children, you always start from the inside out,” Walker said. “You start from where they were seen last. If we feel like we have enough information and enough evidence to expand out, we absolutely will. But at this point, we have no reason to believe that.”

    Walker confirmed that multiple dog searches have been conducted but have not found traces of the boys outside the house.
    Two California City boys remain missing
     
  5. Andieinsyd

    Andieinsyd Well-Known Member

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    I was really interested to see if the house looked suitable for six children and two adults. To be honest if I was on a budget and getting a foot I the door with real estate I think it would be a great house for six kids. Fenced in backyard with cement path areas to ride trikes and scooters. An outdoor rumpus room for the older kids. Two bathrooms and the younger kids can share rooms. Nice big kitchen. I guess my point is that it looks like the parents really thought about the kids when making the purchase, it’s a great family home.

    Having said that, I felt like there was a bit of a disconnect between the parents and missing boys in their interview. When given an opportunity talk about the boys, they didn’t give much. Possibly just really in shock? And they were really being harassed by some of the hostile onlookers, so I think that has to be taken into account.

    Thanks to everyone for sharing experiences and thoughts. I guess the best to hope for now is a grab by biological family but that looking unlikely
     
  6. Megnut

    Megnut Well-Known Member

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    He may be having trouble determining where the boys were last seen. And when.

    It doesn't look good.

    JMO
     
  7. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    I normally try and hold out hope for a miracle. Even when common sense tells me not to. This one. Not so much...

    I’d love to be wrong!
     
  8. dillysmom11

    dillysmom11 Well-Known Member

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    Right. Privately adopted children do not have medical or cash stipend. Four of our older children we adopted privately.
     
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    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    Vigilantism won’t help find these boys imo.
     
  10. Megnut

    Megnut Well-Known Member

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    I expect medical records will be uber relevant in this story. Rambunctious boys, requiring a lot of stitches???? The fracture. Did he complete the entire process? Casting, recasting, removal? And when? Recent? Not recent? Adjacent in any way to the move? The record of those clinic visits might prove hugely important.

    It might indicate a timeline. At least a starting point.

    JMO
     
  11. Megnut

    Megnut Well-Known Member

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    If neighbors haven't seen any children at the house, and the older children have been on vacation (for how long?????), whose items were given to LE FOR a scent? They could be items belonging to the other children, dating back who knows how long. Prior to vacation, prior to move.... or as in many families, items get shared. Clothing, bedding.... and yet dogs picked up no matching scent in the yard....

    Were ANY children ever in that yard????

    LE said there was evidence of children in the home (he did qualify that, of the missing two, "not necessarily"), but don't we have to wonder WHAT evidence? Piled up clothing and toys doesn't necessarily mean children were there. Heck, I have a garage full of toys and baby clothes. My baby is 24.

    Are there kid dishes in the sink, fruit snacks, actual sidewalk chalk....

    My question remains, those precious boys are in fact missing. For how long?

    JMO
     
  12. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    It is my understanding the broken leg happened before the AP had them.
     
  14. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    The interview was on Wednesday; the boys went missing on Monday the 21st. Two nights had gone by.
    "Trezell and Jacqueline West are the boys' adoptive parents. They told 23ABC News in their first and only media interview Wednesday, that the boys were playing with chalk in the backyard of their Cal City home when they suddenly went missing at about 4:30 or 5 p.m."
    Former BPD Lt. weighs in on missing California City boys case, gives insight into investigation
     
  16. Amp Eazy

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    Considering TW had just emerged from the house, where he questioned his wife over the boy's whereabouts and was in the process of searching the backyard upon realizing the gate was left open, I believe returning inside the house and searching first is at the very least, extremely bizarre. The sight of the gate left open is startling enough to cause TW to "panic", according to him, yet his response is to hesitate on addressing that possibility which presents the most significant degree of concern? He said himself that the sight caused him to panic, whereas if the boys had indeed somehow slipped past him and went inside the home...inside the home is a safe space. Not to mention the wife was supposedly inside during this time. I think the vast majority of responsible parents would head straight for that which presents the most anxiety, that which caused them to panic.
     
  17. MsBetsy

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    The boys had been missing for two days and I think the main reason for the interview was to address the accusation by neighbors that they stayed in the house and were not out looking for the children.

    They explained that police told them to stay in the house, that they had the best searchers out there looking, and to stay put.

    The dad said they were ordered to stay in the house in case police needed to get a hold of them. Yet during the second search police acted as if they expected the parents to be there. Later the chief stated he didn't know where the parents were.

    Imo
     
  18. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it would have made more sense if he said he told his wife to search the house while he went outside to continue searching the yard and the neighborhood, since they had apparently just been outside minutes ago.
     
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  19. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    This will be a moot point of different interpretation *IF* the emerging speculation that the two missing boys never even lived at that location is correct. If the neighbors are correct in that they have never seen the children, well that is extremely troubling. Pandemic or not, you'd see kids around the house, or at minimum, hear them.

    This case is deeply disturbing at multiple levels. The two adults need to be separated and repeatedly interviewed by LE. IF there is criminality involved here, one of them will snitch on the other for a deal. They always do. Let's hope that happens soon IF they are anyway involved.

    I'm still trying to figure out the motivation to make two little boys disappear that could be part of a meal ticket for them (again, IF they are implicated).

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  20. charminglane

    charminglane Helcat!

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    The meal ticket would be continuing to cash the checks from the last time the boys were seen.
    I agree that the boys were going to have to make an appearance due to holidays, leading to their "missing."
     
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